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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-07-24 20:14:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsukino Stareine
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
show me a ANI, paladin and nightmare that can clear an angle blockade in one tick ;)


Show me a Domi fit that does 1000 dps vs Sansha/BR. Big smile


You can't do 1000 DPS in anything else either due to resists.

And that 1000 DPS is going to be at what range? 30km? 40?

Also:

[Dominix, levekl 4]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Co-Processor II

Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Thermic Dissipation Field II
EM Ward Field II

350mm Railgun II, Spike L
350mm Railgun II, Spike L
350mm Railgun II, Spike L
350mm Railgun II, Spike L
350mm Railgun II, Spike L
350mm Railgun II, Spike L

Large Drone Control Range Augmentor I
Large Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Garde II x5

suck on that

1021 DPS @ 73km, no implants.

[Dominix, levekl 4]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Co-Processor II

Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Thermic Dissipation Field II
EM Ward Field II

Dual Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora L
Dual Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora L
Dual Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora L
Dual Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora L
Dual Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora L
Dual Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora L

Large Drone Control Range Augmentor I
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation I
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Garde II x5

this one might do more real damage though, can also use faction heatsinks to get over 1k DPS, this one stands at 984 with regular t2, in fact you could T2 everything and still gardes hit to 68km.
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-07-24 20:22:23 UTC
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Donbe Scurred wrote:
Can you mention another that can complete missions in less than a tick that does not cost 500m+ to buy/fit?


Mael, Phoon, Pest, Raven, HAM Tengu, Apocalypse...


Suki,

With the exception of the Tengu, I am not well versed on these ships do you concur that it is possible to clear missions with any of these boats in less than a tick?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-07-24 20:25:54 UTC
Donbe Scurred wrote:
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Donbe Scurred wrote:
Can you mention another that can complete missions in less than a tick that does not cost 500m+ to buy/fit?


Mael, Phoon, Pest, Raven, HAM Tengu, Apocalypse...


Suki,

With the exception of the Tengu, I am not well versed on these ships do you concur that it is possible to clear missions with any of these boats in less than a tick?



mael unlikely

tempest unlikely

Phoon yes

Raven, cutting it close

Apoc, sansha/BR yes
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-07-24 20:27:10 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Donbe Scurred wrote:
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Donbe Scurred wrote:
Can you mention another that can complete missions in less than a tick that does not cost 500m+ to buy/fit?


Mael, Phoon, Pest, Raven, HAM Tengu, Apocalypse...


Suki,

With the exception of the Tengu, I am not well versed on these ships do you concur that it is possible to clear missions with any of these boats in less than a tick?



mael unlikely

tempest unlikely

Phoon yes

Raven, cutting it close

Apoc, sansha/BR yes


Your recommended Phoon fit please.
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-07-24 20:32:42 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
You can't do 1000 DPS in anything else either due to resists.

And that 1000 DPS is going to be at what range? 30km? 40?


Multifrequency L range.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-07-24 20:36:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsukino Stareine
Donbe Scurred wrote:
Your recommended Phoon fit please.


[Typhoon, level4]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Co-Processor II

Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Large Micro Jump Drive
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I


Bouncer II x4

if you want to cheapen things up you will need a cpu implant.

This in it's highest DPS configuration is 1168 DPS at 84km, using precision cruise missiles for smaller things drops DPS to 930.

Tobias Hareka wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
You can't do 1000 DPS in anything else either due to resists.

And that 1000 DPS is going to be at what range? 30km? 40?


Multifrequency L range.


so 45km on a nightmare, fantastic.
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-07-24 20:39:05 UTC
Thanks Suki, at least we put some useful content in this thread, too bad it is buried under so much garbage.
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-07-24 20:39:45 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
so 45km on a nightmare, fantastic.


If you are as experience mission runner as you claim you should know that Sansha BSs orbit at 38km. 'Mare with two tracking scripted TCs can track it easily with Tachs.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-07-24 20:41:28 UTC
So while you're pittling away at them using long range crystals before they get in range of MF I'm applying 1k DPS from the get go.

Domi punches well above it's price bracket, start realising it.
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-07-24 20:44:08 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
So while you're pittling away at them using long range crystals before they get in range of MF I'm applying 1k DPS from the get go.


Domi with lasers? You don't have enough cap to fire those lasers.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-07-24 20:47:15 UTC
Only one drone damage amp, cap mods in the lows... This is an obvious troll fit and post.

I guess by replying I'm feeding the troll What?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-07-24 20:47:20 UTC
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
So while you're pittling away at them using long range crystals before they get in range of MF I'm applying 1k DPS from the get go.


Domi with lasers? You don't have enough cap to fire those lasers.


Says who?
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-07-24 20:51:19 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Says who?


Go try it in BR Blockade.

Hint: you don't have cap booster.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-07-24 20:57:26 UTC
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Says who?


Go try it in BR Blockade.

Hint: you don't have cap booster.


And a nightmare is going to do much better under that cap pressure?

Puhleeeez, at least domi hast its sentries while the nightmare just gets neuted to oblivion.
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-07-24 21:01:29 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
And a nightmare is going to do much better under that cap pressure?

Puhleeeez, at least domi hast its sentries while the nightmare just gets neuted to oblivion.


Why would you leave that 7th med slot empty?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-07-24 21:13:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsukino Stareine
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
And a nightmare is going to do much better under that cap pressure?

Puhleeeez, at least domi hast its sentries while the nightmare just gets neuted to oblivion.


Why would you leave that 7th med slot empty?


it's not even an issue anyway, you just shoot the neuters before they can get in range, battleship NOS only reaches to 25km and the elite cruisers 40km and everything spawns further out than that.
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-07-24 21:17:07 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
it's not even an issue anyway, you just shoot the neuters before they can get in range, battleship NOS only reaches to 25km and the elite cruisers 40km and everything spawns further out than that.


http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=Vengeance4br
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-07-24 21:26:10 UTC
Tobias Hareka wrote:

Go try it in BR Blockade.


For vengeance I would go for a lower DPS MJD fit. Nightmare would also have to fit a bit more tank for that mission.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#39 - 2013-07-24 21:38:47 UTC
Craig Bennett2th wrote:
Maybe you should watch the entire thing before you judge. But, that is my fit.


I watched it. For the record, I still think youtube is an awful medium for this stuff. It takes way, way too long to get points across and it ends up being a monologue that is very difficult to respond to. Listing your criteria, mentioning your core assumptions, posting a fit, and asking for dialog about it just works better. There's a cynical part of me that thinks you realize all this and that you don't want dialog. But then why would you post it to the forums?

So I'll engage with the video against better judgement.

Without engaging with the fit just yet, I'd like to question some of your underlying assumptions and criteria for what makes an effective Dominix. First, you assert rather vociferously that drone boats as a class are low damage and low maintenance as compared to gun platforms. I have no problem at all telling you this is flat out wrong; that's not a feature of drone boats, that's a feature of how you've chosen to fit your drone boat.

Now, obviously that's not an entirely popular choice. Many people, myself included, prefer to fit the current Dominix as an absolute murder machine, abusing the ridiculous new bonus it gets. And seriously, if it doesn't get a swift kick in the teeth sometime soon I'll be very, very surprised. The damn thing is capable of pushing out 800 DPS out to an 85ish km optimal with the tracking (though not effective tracking) of medium short range guns. Combine that with a MJD and suddenly you're looking at a mission meta that's hard to argue with: things die so fast at such long range that moving becomes entirely about avoiding a chunk of damage and limiting how much tank you actually need to fit.

Now, in contrast to that, you're opting to fit in an older style based on tanking missions to death while you have a sandwich. And you know what? That used to work pretty well. And it no longer really does. I'd be very impressed if you were able to actually afk in your setup without losing drones left and right. In fact, name a mission you've able to do that in and based on which one you choose I'll pay you out up to 250mil for a video showing that drones do not, in fact, draw agro when you're afk. Happily, in fact. It doesn't match my experience at all, and it throws your approach into question rather seriously.

So there you go. Tension between the idea that you can't really afk missions anymore versus that idea that instead you can roflstomp them in the same drone boat that used to be a little hard to use.

Ok, that said. Let's assume you can somehow afk missions these days; I'll suspend judgement on that for the time being. At that point I'm pretty comfortable asserting that you're not using the best ship for the job. Because that would be the Rattlesnake. It gets a resist bonus, a stupid tank whether you go passive or active, and can achieve cap stability more easily than your Dominix. I'm not sure where you got the notion that the Dominix/NDomi were the "best" drone boats in the game, but you really can't make judgments that sweeping without asserting some additional criteria (what are you doing with them? are you going for raw damage, tank, afk running, neut power, what?). Yes, the Rattlesnake is more expensive, but it does what you're asking a ship to do better.

Now, as far as some of your one-off assertions. First, I'm uncomfortable with the idea that you're advising people to use Wardens over Bouncers in Minmatar space. I'm sorry, but Bouncers are just plain better against Angels. It's a minor thing, but it bears repeating. Similarly, Curators are going to outperform Wardens against Rogue Drones and anything that shoots lasers. It's worth swapping them out.

Also, T2 CCCs. You said a couple of times that you would only be able to get two of them on -- which is technically correct. But you can keep the third T1 CCC on there at the same time; it fits just fine that way. Whether that's a good idea is up to you; I find large T2 CCCs to be stupidly expensive for their relatively minor benefits, but I highly suspect you would be able to drop at least one cap module if you made the change. That would mean either another omni or another DDA, and either would greatly benefit the ship overall.

I'm not sure what to say about your high slots. It's fine, I guess? But it's not like you can salvage/loot afk. That's always puzzled me; an afk fit drone ship with a bunch of high slots that require your attention. Why not just put some damn guns in there? But hey, that's just me.

I'm sure there was more, but this is already too much of my own monologue, so I'll cut it off. But I'm dead serious about paying to see you afk a mission. Just get in touch and we can make arrangements.
Phoenyx redbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-07-24 23:38:27 UTC
Hi everyone
Could one of you more experience players post a armor tank Dominix lvl4 fit