Wormholes

Then you don't PVP in C5/C6 WHs.
And if you do, you're doing it wrong.



So what exactly do T3s do better than T2s?
Recons? Nope.
Logistics? Nope.
Boosting? Yes, but that can be fixed by a single nerf to the boosting subsystem, and a buff to Command Ships.

HACs don't have a role, and they suck so bad at whatever it is they are supposed to do that they are worse than T1 cruisers. If they nerf T3s to the point of HACs T3s will be the single worst ship class in the game. Worse than Electronic Attack Frigates, and that is a whole new level of bad.

Yes. The nullsec blocs want the wormholers gone. Our t3's do not use nullsec moongoop. We cut into their profits, and you can't setup wormhole rental system like they have in low and null. You get rid of the wormholers and move them into null, they'll have to pay to rent a system (8 to 20 billion isk a month, more if you have more people) to hold for themselves.....


That's pretty much the sole reason.

In the end, its all about money.

Could someone point me to the "nerf t3" thread ? I found the hac upgrade, the medium weapon upgrade but I have not found the nerf post ?

I am just curious exactly what they are nerfing...

I always like starting with "KILL THEM, KILL THEM ALL, HUNT THEM DOWN AND JUST SHOOT THEM IN THE FACE!!!!!!!!", but then follow up with "well, maybe not in the face. perhaps just shoot them in the shoulder."

The thing with T3s is everyone compares DPS T3s to HACs, where the DPS T3 gives you oh, 2x the tank and 1.25-1.5x the DPS for a 2x-4x price increase. Can we all agree that HACs are bad and need help? (Which the tiericide effort has started on, but we'll have to see on SiSi....)

HIC? No T3 equivalent whatsoever. HICtors are the one truly unique T2 ship class, even, but I digress.
Force Recon? Cloaky T3s are kind of orthogonal to this, save for cloaky neuting Legions overlapping with the Pilgrim. (in general, most cloaky T3s are either pure-tank brick tacklers or gank-and-tank hunter-killer scouts without EW, instead of the EW/tacklewar bearing scouts that characterize Force Recons)
Combat Recon? 3x the tank but *less* capability (less range/strength) otherwise for roughly 1.5-2x the price save for neut Legions, which make the armor Curse look like a joke in comparison some of the time due to the sheer GJ/s advantage of the neut Legion.
Logi? T3 RR subsystem is only good for spider tanking Tengus and the occasional shield Loki, or if you need the high slot for other reasons.

So: buff HACs to where they ought to be (I'd give them something of a 'baked in' speed/agility edge over T3s, and probably shave a bit of sig off too) and T3s will be fine, more or less. Also: can someone find a better reactor core for the Curse? Trying to get a plate of any flavor + 5 medium neuts on it is not happening, and that renders it unable to compete with other neuting cruisers on a GJ/s basis, which is what counts when you've got a capital to drain dry or a spider-tanking Tengu-ball to bust up. (Unless you're in a shield fleet. ;)

Pretty much this.
Here's a sand box but if you are having to much fun
we will take the sand out of your box and move it to an other one go play there.
This is our sandbox and we will choose how you play it.

It has happened before it will happen again tons of people will un-sub if they nerf T3s into the ground, some will continue to play out of pure addiction and some will play because EVE gives them a sense of power but most logical people will just quit.
I know I will and I won't return till they fix it right again and if they don't fix it well I will find something else to do lol

Hollow threats do nothing. There is a power grab going on right now involving space. People have been promised things to move stuff towards a direction. Those csm people we don't hear about will scream once CCP gets to t3's because they don't have any control over the wormhole community

CCP has no control over them either.

What will happen, don't know, but if CCP listen to the people who want to evict and collapse the wormhole community under the guise that wormholers are too rich, too powerful, ships to strong (idiotic as low and nullsec makes billions to trillions off of officer mods, implant drops, bpc's etc) when ther actual intention is to get wormholers out of wormholes so they can tax them with lowsec and nullsec renting, they will wind up losing probably there most distinctly unique community.

The thing is CCP devs play EVE also and they are out there in null sec with these null sec alliances.
They got caught when they gave out BPOs to an alliance so they will not be able to do that anymore.
SOO what's an other way to rig the game for big 00 alliance blobs?
Nerf everything in sight in an attempt to herd everyone into 00.

I am hoping the WH community would be able to put their love for EVE behind them and unsub if a major T3 nerf hits live servers.
Last time CCP made a change that everyone hated they lost thousands of subs and it did not take long to revert those changes. Same thing will need to happen here players need to make a stand to make sure CCP does the right things.

I also feel that it is never to early to plan how the community will handle this.

can i have your stuff? and damn someone put a gun on your head and forced you to skill for T3s OMG was it CCP?

great that you feel that its not needed, doesn't make you less wrong

can you see the nerf all ready if so can i borrow your time machine plz?

if you wanna boost T2 hulls so they function better in their highly specialized role then a T3 they would be OP like crazy

i dont know how they gonna change it but it is needed for sure and stop whining all you hvae to train is HAC and that like 6 days to get it to lvl 4 big whoop. it never made sense that a T3 could do every T2 hulls specialized task better and with MUCH less training. finaly they going to change it and i am sure WHs and T3s will still be good ships and WHs good isk and fun to be in

and for the record i live in WH myself and fly all T3s on 2 toons

ok can i have your stuff?