EVE General Discussion

Nerfing high sec to make null sec look better without buffing null sec.
Pretty simple game development.

These "bling things" being drakes which trippled in price before CCP fixed the inflation by nerfing incursions.

Lets try again so you get it, bling modules, deadpsace, faction and of course officer modules that any discerning Incrusion runner would pay top ISK for, got it now.

Fried Eggs, spot on, I was sitting back looking at my ISK levels doing level 4's and comparing that to when I was doing Hordes and level 4's are no where near Hordes, and that is also ignoring the ISK I made from the drops on Escalations which I got when I moved back to HS and sold later.

I had seen Jenn speaking sense in another thread in terms of cloaky camping and assumed that Jenn was actually being accurate, but the way that Jenn tried to discredit my experience was a sign to me that the motive was a typical blast any disenting voice out of the way, and as I am used to this type of thing in RL I decided to not get annoyed or back down, but just lay it out as I saw it and admitting gaps where they are raised and exist, after all the truth always gets out..

Herzog Wolfhammer, hope you are well, should have said hi earlier, your approach is superb, I said it to you before and I will say it again, I really should do it myself. I found this downplaying of 0.0 income and up-playing of HS incorrect so decided to point out my own feelings and information on this subject. I won't back down on making it clear that this nerf HS is typical 0.0 bull.

One thing I recently realised is that they are really focussed on the alts that make income for their members in HS, this is income that they cannot touch, so the only way they can is to make HS so bad that they have to join 0.0 alliances and till the fields there so they can be taxed. Very interesting, I hope CCP does not fall for this, the thing is that over time and at the current expenditure these major alliances will start to have issues, if CCP makes it easy for them by nerfing HS then we will know that CCP are in the pockets of 0.0 alliances. If CCP is honest about making it so 0.0 has people in it again let nature takes its course so taht people in HS can get the resources to make a bid for 0.0 space on their own terms.

Due to incursions the price of faction BS's and bling modules inflated significantly, that is very common knowledge, surprised you don't know this.

Ships increased in price due to increased build costs due to changes by CCP and increased low end ore prices, nothing to do with Incursions!

But even after the nerfs, there sill much ISK to be made in nullsec. Hence my argument that this whole thing is a strawman. I would say the reality is that highsec incursions balance out the ISK potential of nullsec.

Already the highsec bear incursions into goon space around VFK (see the GD thread "Carebears Unite") has some new players discovering the ISK potential out there and are starting to gear up at NPC stations.

Yes you read that right.

Because just a little bit of PVe out there goes a long way - enough to keep the fight going.


This is why I think the entire thing is a propaganda operation. All of that stuff about "how nullsec works", getting intsaganked-don't-even-try-it-unless-you-join-a-nullsec-alliance is a lie. It's all about control and conTROLLing. I would not put it past those who would even bother to run a nullsec alliance to want power so much in a game that they would use the forums as a weapon (and they know this "using the forums as a weapon thing enough because they readily accuse highsec of doing it while they are the ones doing it) to keep people out.

Imagine, new players, even experienced ones, not joining into the power blocs, not "playing the game" the way the neckbearded elite say it should be, just going hunting out there. And those few who are doing it now are finding a wealth of PVP and PVe.

So here we are in yet another "nerf highsec" thread.

Of course, crying to CCP about anything should be considered pointless. The tools are already at hand, and we can mount guns on those tools. We just haven't gotten official word from CCP (sad that it would be needed) to the effect of "you don't like the way the game is played, change it yourself". And we wonder why there is no "I WIN" button and sit about chattering about our fear of one.

Of course, there are people already "out there", sitting on huge piles of ISK and running a corporate-styled system of feudalism, wanting things their way, and wanting those who will not live in their Company Town to have a harder time at it. So here come the NBSI, here come the lies, here comes the trolls spreading the lies.

And any noob can die a few times, then get good at getting through the gank pipelines, then find they can explore, rat, and take out PVP targets - those nullsec bears sold on the safety while being encouraged to brag about how risky nullsec is because they might get ganked once in a while (but otherwise and statistically safer than they would be in Jita as they bear it up beyond the gank pipelines and bubble camps).

Meanwhile, everybody who wants to PVP gets steered to the empty parking lot called lowsec.

What are you on?

So, you don't seem to realize that buffing nullsec increases inflation, while nerfing highsec (or anything for that matter), reduces inflation?

Did that seriously not occur to you?

One takes isk out of circulation, which is certainly warranted. One (buffing nullsec), massively increases isk in circulation. Come on, bro.

I went to the dog-net site, but it was all zeros..... What was I suppose to see in Dog-net?

I've done a tiny bit of PvP (honestly not much, I actually tend to use the client more as a chat tool with pretty graphics and I think i've made like 50 million isk in *thinks a moment*... ... .. a week? lol), I've lived a while in Low-sec, lived a while in null-sec, lived a while in worm holes. One habit I got into while living in those three places was to fit my ships to fight, have a tank (if the ship has the slots) or go for pure gank and hope to win the fight before my ship pops. I always check d-scan constantly if I am undocked (even in high-sec) and when I loose a ship, I shrug and get on with my game. I've ganked a few people (Hulkageddon) been ganked by a few people and in general have had a lot of fun.

While it does sometimes annoy me, EVE is touted as a place where you are constantly at risk and that the only time you are actually safe is when you are docked in a station. I'm not really all that into PvP, it's not my thing overall but if it happens, i'm going down fighting even if I don't stand a chance. That is why I Love (and sometimes hate) EvE. There is no real surety that you will return from any trip in space, with even so much as your pod.

At one time I was totally against high sec pvp'rs and thought they were the lowest form of life in the game, and then I got into a little bit of PvP myself with a group of guys that knew what they were doing and were willing to teach a nublet how to do it. Best fricking rush I have had in a game in a LONG time. So my perceptions changed. I realized that I was missing out on a great part of the game. Now, while my kill rate is low and all that, I don't look at PvP'rs as scum anymore. Still not my thing overall, but man oh man is it fun when I do it.

So while I understand where many High-sec players want greater security, I also understand why that is not exactly a good idea where THIS game is concerned. There should be no guarantee of safety. Consequences yes, safety no. That is just my thoughts and experience on this subject. Others thoughts and experience may be different. neither are wrong or right, just different.

~Z

Then HTFU move to hi-sec where the golden egg is. No one stopping you but you.

That is your opinion. Other people seem to disagree it seems.

I've already pointed out that if they can't buff null sec then nerfing high sec would still break things because if you can't add to one side of the equation, you can't subtract from the other.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. I also edited out a reference to now deleted posts. ISD Ezwal