Intergalactic Summit

I've split this out from Pyre Falcon's AAR detailing Diana Kim's attacks on State Militia pilots to avoid derailing their thread more than it is.

Here we go:



I don't think you understand my motivations in condemning the Republic's attack at Colelie and calling for a cessation of the Federation-Republic alliance. I don't care about feelings or intentions. I care about deeds.

The Republic attacked the Federation, despite the existence of the alliance between our two governments. I can see no indication that they won't do so again should the mood strike them. Because of this, I would like to see the Federation-Republic alliance dissolved. In my opinion, this would both provide the strongest political statement to Shakor outside of a declaration of war (which, for the record, I don't support at this time), while also forcing a reevaluation of Federation defenses along the Federation-Republic border which could help prevent such an incursion in the future.

I have perhaps picked on EM more than other participants, but that is because I have both supported them and flown with them in the past, which lends their deeds that much more bitterness. I recognize that some of their pilots feel remorse for their part in the attack. I recognize that they may hope to never find themselves in such a situation again. At the same time, EM leadership has stated that they participated in the attack because they had a duty to do so, and that they would continue to act that way in the future.

The only real difference I can see between EM's and Diana Kim's actions are that EM expressed regret after pulling that trigger, while Diana Kim did not. Both attacked allies on the orders of their superiors (real or imagined), and both stated their intention to do so again should the orders come.



I'm not sure how this is an issue, but what the hell. During my tenure with Pyre (in which my motivation was thickening my wallet, I make no claims otherwise), I pulled the trigger on eleven pilots. Two of them were Gallente.

How is this different from what the Republic did in Colelie? Simple. When I flew with Pyre, I would show up on the overview of all of those pilots as hostile. They knew I was hostile the minute I showed up. I did not try to pretend otherwise. To behave as the Republic behaved, I would have had to join the Gallente (or the Minmatar) militias and then pull the trigger on those very same pilots. I would have had to show up on their metaphorical doorstep, cloaked in the blue raiment of an ally, and then pull the trigger.

Honestly, it's as if some people don't even try.

Miss Tuulinen,

I believe some editing might be in order.

As for the tension between the Federation and Republic, I believe that you are correct on the relation between the Federation and the Republic is tense at the best of current times.

However as I was a witness from the event, I would like to add that the Naglfar's commander was rather clear from start untill the end. They wanted the shooter and would resolve to violence if opposed. They met opposition, and despite the many pleas, they followed up on their words and attacked. That, in my views, would not be acting friendly and suddenly starting an assault.

Regards,

DutchGunner
CONCORD Loyalist

Let's stay on target, shall we? I don't know how it is in the Republic, but Federation schools teach that ad hominem arguments are fallacious in nature.

Tell me, then, please, how the battle of Colelie was about freedom? Whose freedom? The freedom of the people who were killed in the battle?

Pointing out hypocrisy is not an ad hominem.

No, really, it's not, you should read more carefully what the definition is -- many people are honestly confused on this point. To say "Shintoko believes I should not trust people who have aggressed against Gallente navy ships. Shintoko has aggressed against Gallente navy ships. Therefore, by her logic, Shintoko's opinions are not to be trusted and we ought to give them no weight," is not a fallacious argument.

In any case, I'm getting tired of this argument. It only came up because of the usual race-baiting towards Ms. Rella for what was admittedly an impulsive interjection.

I always said that Concord's sight was blinkered...

And here I was thinking you got married but didn't invite me.

That did happen, but that still wouldn't make me Miss Tuulinen, would it? Even my wife, Desiderya Tuulinen-haani isn't Miss Tuulinen.

This whole things seems to be a Miss-take.

Did I Miss something here?

I'm sure Pieter will issue a miss-ive to all concerned clarifying the situation.

As to the main discussion, people need to read what's being said, not having strawman arguments in their head with points they can deflate.

Oniseki, is this some sort of personal miss-ion for you?