EVE General Discussion

Again my apologies on that. Coming in off a train with a 12 hour work day makes your brain stop working

Gevlon posts good stuff on his blog. He gets the hate because he doesn't hide his WoW background in shame like a good Eve player is expected. He also judges success differently than a lot of Eve players, mostly its isk made, and not ships exploded.

As an example of a good article: Introduction to trading: the first steps to riches

It is not an experts guide to trading as some of the comments in the article would criticize it as such. It is a "trading first steps" article for newbros. I did what he said and in 2 days was up 100mil. I am now buying t2 destroyers+fit for almost 3mil less than I was just off the sale orders. All I need do is plan a little bit ahead and be patient.

Considering that the average Eve player lives in hisec, runs missions, mines, industry, mostly solo and hardly interacting, I'd say Gevlon is way above average in contributing to the Eve community. Even if you don't agree with the justifications I've given, he does at least spark interaction among a lot of the player base. That's pretty good contribution for one player.

His first steps to trading said basically Buy low, sell high, never buy from a buy order or sell to a sell order. It's a great way to make a decent amount of isk if you've got a lot of capital. If you don't have a lot of capital (ie, if you are new) it's pretty stupid. It's gambling on the price gap being due to fulfilled buy orders, and ties up your capital so you get less cycles. New bros shouldn't tie up capital for long period of time on gambles. If you process your isk (like manufacturing or PI) then sell swiftly but for a decent markup, you'll get less isk/cycle, but more cycles.
Realistically you can start a fresh character, transfer him nothing and have 100m in the bank by the end of the day.

Even his high sec knowledge is pretty bad. His SOE missions "changing missioning forever" is a good example on this. Expensive inefficient fits for thing that everyone knows exists. The problem is, the way he writes is designed to confound the unknowing, and he chucks ins a bunch of made up stats, people like you swallow it up as fact.

The "average player" does not solo in high sec. a lot of the people in high sec soloing are people from elsewhere. I usually have 3 or 4 high sec characters logged on when I'm trading, as well as a missioner grinding for standings. My mains live in null though. All Gevlon contributes is made up "facts", made up statistics and egotistic opinions.

Right, but you said this is for noobs. Market velocity is important. If you have 1b, and you sit ona 20m buy order for 2 days, you have 980m to play with. If you have 20m and you sit on a 20m buy order, you are stagnating until that completes. Once it completes, you might make 15% on your investment. But in the same time, you could have make say 10% on your investment 4 times over, reinvesting the same cash over and over. That's why for new guys cycling is important. Once you have a few bil, you can sit on market orders for long periods of time. Also, you are gambling on ship prices not going down. A few weeks ago you could have set up a Jita buy order for hounds to get them at 26m or so, which was cheap. Now they are at like 21m or so. right now, your catalysts are cheap buys. By the time you need them they could have been bought at way over market price. Advising new guys to always place buy orders is not a good idea.

Sure you can save a bit buying in advance, but that required you to have the capital to buy in advance. A new guy with no ship cant afford to place a buy order for a bulk load of ships. He's better off spending the extra 200k to get the ship now, then make that 200k back in the time he would be waiting around waiting for it to complete. Gevlon talks about it from the point of view of a newbie with capital. Which is pretty stupid.

I don't point out my alts to wow you or show you I interact with the community. I point them out to show you that that's why high sec is full of players, because most players in null, low and wh space all have alts in high sec. That doesn't mean that the majority of the playerbase is high sec.

Who am I empowering? We are discussing the quality of opinions allotted to a blogger whom gets posted on one of the major news sites for this game. It isn't just myself but many other EN24 readers as well have expressed distaste at his lack of evidence or even factual claims on the pieces he writes.

My point being is that he contributes NOTHING of value toward bettering the content we all enjoy. All you do is flail and scream about my topic inciting goon level hatred which makes no sense whatsoever.

Maybe you should go troll someone else's thread or go write a local government official on how certain houses in your neighborhood are out of code. I'm certain they'll be thrilled to hear your bitching

Now go home and get your shine box. The big boys are talking.

Yeah... What he tells you is wrong lol
So firstly, I'm not just talking about station trading. In fact, half of what Gevlon is talking about IS station trading. But I'm talking about trading, mining, hauling, manufacturing and PI AKA "Trading in general". As a trader you can make a lot of money quickly by investing your stock into fast cycles. Sitting on capital is not a good idea unless you have a lot of capital. Gevlon has a lot of capital, so he talks to you about what HE does, but it's no good, because you don't have billions of isk.

Secondly, If you are not a trader, then why read a post about how to get started in trading? Sure, right now, you've got a bit of cash because you've bought your ships in advance, but if their price has gone down by the time you need them, then you've wasted your cash buying in bulk. Prices can move quickly in EVE, traders know this. I'd NEVER advise a newbie to just buy loads of what he uses without talking first about market trends. If a newbie is going to sit on capital it's better to sit on it liquid so it's available if a good deal does come up rather than sitting in ships that may or may not be used one day.

And yes, I've said he posts thing people already knew, but that because he leads up to them talking about them like they are going to be a revolution in EVE, then they are are half assed post full of incorrect information about stuff we already know about. It doesn't help noobs cos half of it is wrong. Just because you think it sounds right because he says it with such conviction does not make it so.

Reading the posts in this thread I dare say arrogance is not soley Gevlon's perview.

Even though nothing he says is right I went ahead and followed the advice in that trading article to cut 1.2mil or so off the cost of the cats I use. I also went ahead and bought a weeks worth of phased plasma for my hurricane for 100isk discout. Hope that is ok.

QFT

The fact Goblin is able to generate so much butthurt angst and rabid teeth-gnashing is in itself delightful....his writing talents, whatever they may or may not be, aside.

Tears and apoplectic frustration come in all shapes and sizes in the EVE universe. They are always delightful.

Always.

Bollocks.

Having been a former employee of riverini, I can tell you why he syndicates Gubbins on EN24.

Because he's bad. It's troll food. It feeds the click throughs and comments sections generating rivvy-poo money to pay the few people that do write fresh content for him.

Goblin suffers from WoW-itis. His whole lens is tinted by his experience there. For some reason he thinks that gold-capping toons in WoW means something. Some people were playing the auction house and making a mint long before Gubbins came alone and popularized it. Making Scrooge McDuck piles of ISK only matters to other people making piles of ISK. Accumulating ISK for the sake of accumulating ISK is just ONE way to play the game and have fun in Eve. To Gubbins, it's the world. I have more respect for the likes of Helicity Boson who find thoroughly entertaining ways of amusing themselves in Eve with scant resources.

That being said. Goblin, (shocking!) occasionally writes something that is not-shite. Although, a day or two after he will leave a stinky upper-decker that rivvy-poo will repost. Again feeding the trolls and unmoderated badposting in the comments section. Riv is a pro at being a one-man-band but even he can't do everything all the time.