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Tristan Everness
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-07-24 12:17:10 UTC
What about removing the aurum?
I thought the Jita Riot was about that, why ruining the game with micro-transactions?
Isn't it better to have blueprints and expand the game?

This game is about doing what you want, decide your own objectives, be whoever you like to be, and personalization should be part of it, without having invasive, immersion-breaking micro-transactions to influence the game. Gold ammo is not that different, it's less acceptable just because it's more evident.

Next step could be the introduction of Ships Paint Jobs for micro-transactions.
A universe where clothing and paintjob are expensive as a 10km long space ship, is that what we want?
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#2 - 2013-07-24 12:24:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Sura Sadiva
I agree. Everything should be part of the player driven economy and NEX store should me removed. Only problem is that NEX store items are indestructible, this should be changed too.
Q 5
999 HOLDINGS LLC
#3 - 2013-07-24 12:29:16 UTC
It's an isk sink, I buy AUR tokens go to noble store buy a getup and vamoose varmint.

Who knows what special eye piece the devs my make...I'd really like an eye piece that blinks in different colors every 2 secs....yeah disco eye wear!
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#4 - 2013-07-24 12:30:05 UTC
Yes... Buying Clothing makes my Ship More Powerful p2w :D :D :D :D

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.
Q 5
999 HOLDINGS LLC
#5 - 2013-07-24 12:30:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Q 5
Q 5 wrote:
It's an isk sink, I buy AUR tokens go to noble store buy a getup and vamoose varmint.

Who knows what special eye piece the devs might make...I'd really like an eye piece that blinks in different colors every 2 secs....yeah disco eye wear!


Huh..how'd this happen?
Tristan Everness
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-07-24 12:40:48 UTC
Alice Saki wrote:
Yes... Buying Clothing makes my Ship More Powerful p2w :D :D :D :D


This game is not about being powerful, is about do whatever you want to.

Character customization could be an important part of someone gameplay like PvP is for someone else, and Nex Store ruins his game as much as Gold Ammo would ruin a PvPer game, it's quite simple.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#7 - 2013-07-24 12:43:05 UTC
Tristan Everness wrote:
What about removing the aurum?
I thought the Jita Riot was about that,........



Nope. That was about the lack of real Content or Little Fixes for the previous few Expansions, having added only PI and Incursions during the previous 2.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-07-24 12:45:44 UTC
Tristan Everness wrote:
Alice Saki wrote:
Yes... Buying Clothing makes my Ship More Powerful p2w :D :D :D :D


This game is not about being powerful, is about do whatever you want to.

Character customization could be an important part of someone gameplay like PvP is for someone else, and Nex Store ruins his game as much as Gold Ammo would ruin a PvPer game, it's quite simple.

Not really. Since we have a player driven market anything that can be bought with aurum can be bought with isk eventually. Also gold ammo directly affects performance in the game, not so with clothes.

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#9 - 2013-07-24 12:48:35 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:

Not really. Since we have a player driven market anything that can be bought with aurum can be bought with isk eventually. Also gold ammo directly affects performance in the game, not so with clothes.



Seriously. Folks complaining about something that absolutely affects gameplay not at all. They need lives....or something.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Tristan Everness
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-07-24 12:50:49 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
Tristan Everness wrote:
Alice Saki wrote:
Yes... Buying Clothing makes my Ship More Powerful p2w :D :D :D :D


This game is not about being powerful, is about do whatever you want to.

Character customization could be an important part of someone gameplay like PvP is for someone else, and Nex Store ruins his game as much as Gold Ammo would ruin a PvPer game, it's quite simple.

Not really. Since we have a player driven market anything that can be bought with aurum can be bought with isk eventually. Also gold ammo directly affects performance in the game, not so with clothes.


So, since we have a player driven market why not introducing gold ammo, that can be then sold for isk by who bought it?
Remeber that clothing is fluff as much as internet spaceships are. Gold Ammo directly affect Your game, micro-transactions shouldn't affect anyone game.
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
#11 - 2013-07-24 12:52:26 UTC
Aurum should be removed because it's holding back Eve's evolution into a comprehensive sci fi experience. Let me explain...

Walking in stations was an excellent idea until Aurum for clothes came along and ruined it.

Walking in stations used to be about flying your ship to an abandoned space station, getting out of your ship, and exploring the abandoned space station for loot while perhaps fighting drones.

Aurum changed this purpose of WiS to poncing about in your captain's quarters so that CCP could make a bit of easy money.
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
#12 - 2013-07-24 12:54:54 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:

Not really. Since we have a player driven market anything that can be bought with aurum can be bought with isk eventually. Also gold ammo directly affects performance in the game, not so with clothes.



Seriously. Folks complaining about something that absolutely affects gameplay not at all. They need lives....or something.



You are wrong. Aurum does affect gameplay because devs are using their time to make Aurum items when they could be making Eve into a better game instead.
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#13 - 2013-07-24 12:56:01 UTC
Mors, I'm sure they have a totally separate department for that

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#14 - 2013-07-24 13:00:15 UTC
Yeh the Aurum items are almost exclusivly the art department, i dont think it takes too much time away from other projects if at all.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-07-24 13:00:35 UTC
Tristan Everness wrote:


So, since we have a player driven market why not introducing gold ammo, that can be then sold for isk by who bought it? Gold Ammo directly affect Your game, micro-transactions shouldn't affect anyone game.

There is a reason why I mentioned the market and gold ammo in two completely unrelated sentences.

I'll break it down for you:

Clothes, do not affect gameplay.

Higher yield ammo does.

Also, what the **** does this even mean?
Quote:

Remeber that clothing is fluff as much as internet spaceships are.

So you think God's Coldbloods Vindicator is equal to a pair of pants?


Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
Tristan Everness
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-07-24 13:00:51 UTC
All the items they're releasing were made in 2011, because of the Nex Store we're having less items and for real money.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-07-24 13:02:12 UTC
Mors Magne wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:

Not really. Since we have a player driven market anything that can be bought with aurum can be bought with isk eventually. Also gold ammo directly affects performance in the game, not so with clothes.



Seriously. Folks complaining about something that absolutely affects gameplay not at all. They need lives....or something.



You are wrong. Aurum does affect gameplay because devs are using their time to make Aurum items when they could be making Eve into a better game instead.

Indeed, that's why our profile pictures look awesome as hell. And not like WoW's.

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
#18 - 2013-07-24 13:03:38 UTC
Alice Saki wrote:
Mors, I'm sure they have a totally separate department for that



The department making clothes for Aurum means that there can never be a department to make WiS.

This is because the 'clothes for Aurum department' appeals to the minority of rich players, while alienating everybody else. While this happens, WiS cannot proceed because what he have here is a severe image problem.
Tristan Everness
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-07-24 13:03:57 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:

So you think God's Coldbloods Vindicator is equal to a pair of pants?




Well, since you promote aurum is legit to say that you think a God's Coldbloods Vindicator are expensive as a pair of pants in the market. See what I did there?
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#20 - 2013-07-24 13:06:13 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
ave a player driven market anything that can be bought with aurum can be bought with isk eventually.


Is not the same, not even close.

Even the same identical item sold on NEX store and on the player driven system:

The item from player driven economy:
Someone have to be gather reources, reprocess, obtaining blueprint, use the industr to build it, hauling it on a market hub... and so on. And having the proper skills trained to do this. Is a player driven process, requires and create gameplay.

Same item from NEX store:
Bypass everything and is created on the market. From nowhere. No gameplay related to it.
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