Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yeah microasteriods moving 10km/s have no energy either. Like I said leave real physics out of it.

this is all pretty disappointing, everything is getting simplified too much. There is too much catering for stupid people going on, people who cant think for themselves.

The idea of the HACS previously was that they were different to the t1 hulls and fullfilled different roles completely.

Vexor , Ishtar, Myrm, Domi? What is really the difference between these ships now? Any difference is incredibly vague and you simply just scale up depending on what you fight. Thats fair enough perhaps, but its boring, there isn't any chance to create interesting fits and styles these days, as everything is being laid out for retards.

Even the HP amounts are all being revised to "round numbers" ....

Is the vaga now just being made into a smaller cyclone which is a smaller maelstrom?

If you look at every single one of the Odyssey change threads the relentless theme is just to dumb eve down and make things really simple and straight forward.

The cap numbers for the Sac and Zealot seem reversed, and the Sac doesn't need the cap recharge bonus does it? That would be more useful to the Zealot, since it uses weapons that require cap. An explosion radius or explosion velocity bonus would be much better. The utility high is nice, but it's also underwhelming in terms of armour missile dps; it was already lagging behind the Cerberus, and the Cerberus gets a fairly significant dps buff with the extra launcher. An extra one or two percent per level for missile damage would go a long way toward equalizing missiles for shields vs armour.


Someone else mentioned the Sac as being intended for heavy tackle, which might explain lackluster dps. What -are- the intended roles for the HACs? Maybe that will help answer some of the questions about the rebalancing. You guys very nicely described differences for the T1 ships, such as Combat ships vs Attack ships, etc.

Most nano gangs are cynabals? Wait what?

Sure people use the cyna rather than the vaga atm.. But most proper nano gangs are just tier 3's because they are about six hundred times better (I did the math, don't question!)

And that is where the armor honey combing skill comes into play which takes the mass from 23% to 18%.
I can't calculate for everything but taking a basic comparison of hull HP vs armor HP and taking the % in relation to the mass of the ship you come up with a number suggesting that the armor of the ship accounts for about 57% of the mass.

I'd smash my Nyx into stations in Amarr space all day every day.

Then the Vaga, the T2 specialized ship, should be better at kiting.

The nano Cynabals use 100MN AB.

Ant htat is cynabal role because it has better fittings than vaga.

Pure titanium, no. Titanium is actually really brittle, so it makes a poor shell, alloys absolutely.

The issue being that when you're dealing with hypervelocity impacts, they are no longer ballistic, everything turns into plasma from the heat and compression, so you are sitting against pressure waves really, not a ballistic mass/speed thing.

Thus bigger (thicker) may not be better, but it will always be heavier, and heavy is bad.

Note I'm not a physicist, I'm a computer engineer, I just did sensors for the most part......and that years ago.

And then the cynabal will be obsolete.

I agree with ccp that the 2 nearly identical ships shouldn't be geared to be flown the exact same way. Given the vagabonds resists it makes sense for ccp to have that ship break from the current mold and give it the shield boost. They just need to make soem other changes around that role like more fitting room and at least another midslot.