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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2013-07-23 17:32:51 UTC
Ravaun wrote:
[quote=Roime]Case In Point- The Goon Member who died; every one likes to bash and be mean to Goonswarm, remember, they lit Cynos up every where as a memorial because not -every one- was bad. The Map was Red. :) Just because a group has a bad reputation, it doesn't mean you can call every one in it a bad person.

yeah, right ...

http://i.imgur.com/1I7Hb.png


look where all the cynos were lit and then compare it to the political map. it's nice to think that a real-life death transcends eve politics but it really doesn't.

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Jax Zaden
Prometheus Deep Core Mining
#62 - 2013-07-23 17:59:31 UTC
So first let me say that it sucks that you are getting beat up in RL. Illness, disease and impending death is something that I'm sure none of us can truly grasp. As such, I'm sure that you have a very unique perspective on many things including video games.

Ultimately, Eve is what you make it for yourself and you tried to do that in the best way that you saw fit. With that said, Eve does have some people who are just flat out scum. Many people position it as "Eve is hardcore" or "Eve is not for the weak" but in the end some people are just asshats. Whether they find enjoyment out it or in some way are compensating for something else, that is the reality. There are just some people who enjoy or get off on being cruel and justify it by the game design.

What I'm trying to say is that someone in your situation could have easily chosen to go the asshat route. No one would have blamed you considering what is happening to you in RL. But you didn't. You chose a higher road. If nothing else, you should remember that. In a game (which obviously means more to you that just that) where people chose to be cruel just for fun, you chose to kind. Regardless of the cards you have been dealt in RL, you chose to be kind. Take pride in that.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#63 - 2013-07-23 18:08:16 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Ravaun wrote:
[quote=Roime]Case In Point- The Goon Member who died; every one likes to bash and be mean to Goonswarm, remember, they lit Cynos up every where as a memorial because not -every one- was bad. The Map was Red. :) Just because a group has a bad reputation, it doesn't mean you can call every one in it a bad person.

yeah, right ...

http://i.imgur.com/1I7Hb.png


look where all the cynos were lit and then compare it to the political map. it's nice to think that a real-life death transcends eve politics but it really doesn't.


Actually a lot of neutrals/hostiles daytripped to UMI to light cynos that day.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
ctx2007
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2013-07-23 18:17:46 UTC
OP theres lots of people on EVE with handicaps and suffering with disorders including me, so grab the bull by the horns and change your gameplay. Remember Eve is your game and you play it as you will. Blink

You only realise you life has been a waste of time, when you wake up dead.
Professor Carl Sagan
EVE CPI Testing Corporation
#65 - 2013-07-23 18:26:58 UTC
It is not my intention to smear you or anything at all, i believe you are speaking the truth and i feel for you.

However, i must remind you that people can say whatever they want in games or any non face to face community for that matter,.
It is for this reason that many people will probably just ignore what you said about your real life issues, they will most likely think you are making up stories in order to get ahead somewhere else in the game, in the future perhaps, who knows.

We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology.
Verran 'Firefox' Severasse
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2013-07-23 18:50:19 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
You can play with me if you want.


Oh baby!
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#67 - 2013-07-23 18:54:41 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Go diving on the great barrier reef.


Is it possible for you to be even more of a jerk than you are now?
How twisted do you have to be to torment some guy you have never met on a public forum?


Because he encourages someone who claims to suffer from a terminal disease to experience life instead of wasting the little that is left on videogames?
Truly nefarious...

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#68 - 2013-07-23 19:29:45 UTC
EVE is a pretty brutal game, but I have met people who have actually helped out other people in our clique with real life things (like buying them real life stuff to help out with current problems). I have met and know some of the nicest people you will meet in real life and in game through EVE. Not everyone is douchebags (well except for people on the forums).

Suffice to say this entails going on a Teamspeak server and actually talking with real life people. I think the problem with EVE is that you rely on chat based communication too much and that let's people be douche's easier. I think moderated teamspeak servers are the best way to meet new people and find better friends.

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

Captain Tardbar's Voice Discord Server
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#69 - 2013-07-23 19:38:01 UTC
Ravaun wrote:
So I finally realized just how truly cold blooded Eve is. Alot of people will go QQ, I don't exactly care, I just thought I'd share how I finally realized it.

I have poor health in Real Life, tumors on my spine and around it. I have organs starting to fail, I just have little else I can do in RL but..well. Nothing, so I decided to focus on things to help people, I can't do it in RL, but I could in Eve. I ran incursions 18/7, so I could maintain a sizable ISK income, trying to plex people who needed it, on a daily basis, plex my self as needed, keep my ship going so I could stay at running incursions 18/7. I actively decided, to play Eve, to carebear. I decided, that if I was ganked, I'd not fight back, but infact, ask if I could do any thing to make their future game play more pleasurable, if they needed help PLEXING to stay in game. Some people haven't the RL finnances to maintain their game after all.

I got burned by the group I flew with, every one told me I was just being trolled, but how often do you troll some one that isn't involved with running a community, and not state they are welcome back?

Ultimately, I realized, I wasn't actually valued in the Eve Community for what I did. No one -cares- cares about it. Eve is a pretty cold place in the end. Fortunately, with the amount of PLEX I bought for my self, I can snicker that it's pretty likely my account will expire -after- I do. Maybe I shouldn't find this funny, but I do. A MMO account out lives the owner.


So let the troll posts begin against me, but it doesn't really matter, I can no longer sustain my play style in Eve Online. Don't really hate the game as a whole, but it showed me how bitter and cold people are. I guess I should have seen it coming after how often you read about being ****** over in one way or another in this game. It's alot like betting on the Horses; one moment it's fine, the next your wiped out and begging in the soup kitchen. I could probably plex my self for eternity on strip mining, but that doesn't let me do what I really wanted from Eve; to help others in game, as I can no longer do so in Real Life.


Well I tell you what. If you are willing to leave your carebear ways behind (at least in high sec), you are more than welcome to join my corp and hang out with everyone. I don't charge any corp tax and I won't ask anything of you other than to just have a good time.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Jaqeline D'Larma
Agressively Low-Tier
#70 - 2013-07-24 04:19:48 UTC
Ravaun wrote:
The Inc community is fairly well dominated by a select few groups, and within those groups, a select few make all the calls. It is sad but true. I have never seen a UNI Fleet. I wish there was some sort of support for them from the Devs, but there isn't. Eve Online isn't meant to be friendly, and ultimately, it's up to the players to make a difference. I wasn't even aware Eve-University was..well, active. People tend to make it sound like it's a very small, and unhelpful thing.

You probably haven't seen a uni fleet because most of the people in them are former uni members, not current ones, and are not in the corporation or alliance.

I'm sorry to hear that you're leaving I hope that perhaps you can find a way to put your charitable inclinations to use outside of the game.

Best Wishes.
YuuKnow
The Scope
#71 - 2013-07-24 04:29:15 UTC  |  Edited by: YuuKnow
If the OP doesn't mind, what is the name of your condition exactly please? Just for our education.

If your RL health is that bad, then major FAIL for wasting time on worthless neckbeards playing interweb make-believe. Rather, do something more meaningful like a web-blog sharing your experience so that others like you can find someone that relates to them and then Youtube that ****.

Its good that your quitting... now get to blogging.

yk
Ravaun
Sex for Plex
#72 - 2013-07-24 05:53:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Ravaun
Is it sad it took me a good part of a day to realize OP meant Original Poser?

As for my condition, I have cancer along my spine, and organs that are for lack of a better term 'defective' it was a condition I was born with, just accelerating. I suspect being diabetic didn't overly help, but it's sort of a toss up what kills me. Cancer, organ failure. My biological mother died of the organ condition when she was 34, and I was told she wanted medically assisted suicide sooner.


But, as it is, as I suspected, eve friends want me back, and apparently, some one leaned heavily on the community, and I can come back- the question is.... do I? I feel that I shot my mouth off, and I thought that by leaving and explaining what I did, and why I was leaving, would make a difference. Going back, which I'm not sure how I'll be looked upon any more if I do, is a new beast. I appreciated the overall positive response from people, and the general lack of sniping at each other. It made me feel better that at least some one other then me, might carry on the idea of making some small part of Eve, not jaded bitter vets.

I started in 2003 on another account, which I then stupidly lost my login for. I still remember kicking my computer once when I lost my first ship in low sec out of ignorance out of what low sec was... and I did the decision to stop being a bitter vet.. I'm rambling. Point was, if I was still playing, how many people would have really cared? If I go back, am I not in a way, a hypocrit for taking a stance of - "If I can not reliably help others, I can't maintain my play style?"

I don't know, what should I do? I'm even afraid to log back into TS3 :( they might be mean again! What do I do? Alot of people say get back in..but they might just be setting me up for another troll..
Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#73 - 2013-07-24 06:38:23 UTC
Ravaun wrote:


Is it sad it took me a good part of a day to realize OP meant Original Poser?

As for my condition, I have cancer along my spine, and organs that are for lack of a better term 'defective' it was a condition I was born with, just accelerating. I suspect being diabetic didn't overly help, but it's sort of a toss up what kills me. Cancer, organ failure. My biological mother died of the organ condition when she was 34, and I was told she wanted medically assisted suicide sooner.


But, as it is, as I suspected, eve friends want me back, and apparently, some one leaned heavily on the community, and I can come back- the question is.... do I? I feel that I shot my mouth off, and I thought that by leaving and explaining what I did, and why I was leaving, would make a difference. Going back, which I'm not sure how I'll be looked upon any more if I do, is a new beast. I appreciated the overall positive response from people, and the general lack of sniping at each other. It made me feel better that at least some one other then me, might carry on the idea of making some small part of Eve, not jaded bitter vets.

I started in 2003 on another account, which I then stupidly lost my login for. I still remember kicking my computer once when I lost my first ship in low sec out of ignorance out of what low sec was... and I did the decision to stop being a bitter vet.. I'm rambling. Point was, if I was still playing, how many people would have really cared? If I go back, am I not in a way, a hypocrit for taking a stance of - "If I can not reliably help others, I can't maintain my play style?"

I don't know, what should I do? I'm even afraid t


Man I am sorry but you are asking to be taken advantage off. So what if you are sick, how is that in any way related to the way you get treated. Just because you have a condition you think you have to be treated differently? I hate to say this (I really don't want to be mean) but man the **** up. It is disgusting how you are fishing with sympathy. You have a high chance of dying I can't even imagine what that must feel like, but I know you are dealing with it in one of the worst ways possible.

I fly with a great incursion community, and when I started I linked my **** fit, the FC which I never met before, proceeded to send me 250m isk and told buy the modules required and then X up. He never told me that he expects the iskies back. This guy (which is a goonie by the way, go figure) gave other people tens of billions of isk to fit their ships and make iskies. He was also a very active FC that kept fleets rolling most of the day, that helped in building a great community. I know at least 20 guys that will give 90% of their iskies, (the number is probably higher but I like being conservative) if he just asks for it (we tried btw and he always gave the iskies back, he never accepted a single isk).

But the difference between that guy and you, is that you except something in return which should never be the case in a good faith act. He never mentions that helped you or hold you to it. You whine and moan about it. Your help is not unconditional, which is as bad as no help at all (sometimes even worse). Frankly if you act like that in my community, I'd vote for kicking you out too. Generosity doesn't substitute for a good personality.

I know this is a game forum about pixelated spaceships, but I will try to give you some real advice.

It seems you have not accepted the fact that you are going to die, and are looking to make your like more meaningful by being remembered. Being remembered doesn't mean only giving things to people, but by having real connections on a human level (totally can happen even in EVE). What you are trying to do is getting a superficial connection, which won't work.

You have a lot to figure out, I suggest you have a long contemplation session. And even after giving people that much iskies and they still distanced you, you must be an insufferable douche bag, just saying.
Ravaun
Sex for Plex
#74 - 2013-07-24 06:56:40 UTC
Joan Greywind. I respect your views and I hope stating them has eased your mind, or allowed you to enjoy your day more. :)
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#75 - 2013-07-24 07:01:31 UTC

Let me be very clear.

If you want to come back and mine, you will likely be trolled no matter what your rl situation is. It just goes with the territory.

If, instead, you want to fly around and have some fun like actually shooting stuff, there are plenty of places that will take you in and treat you fine, while letting you mine in peace in nullsec.

If you just want to give everything away, you could look into something like the Angel Project. If you prefer to have a new such eve foundation created for you, I'd volunteer to administer it, or you could surely find someone you personally know and trust.

In any case, good luck.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Ravaun
Sex for Plex
#76 - 2013-07-24 07:03:51 UTC
It's more I'm now indecisive :( I'm not very good at making decisions. I always think Its the wrong one because I might hurt some one doing so. Every one I know wants me back ... but is it because they consider me a friend, or some one to save their account? I dunno :( Also, mining is awful. The last time I mined, I just bought a hulk as Hulkaggedon kicked off, and I almost had a heart attack moving it.. :)
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#77 - 2013-07-24 07:11:58 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
If you prefer to have a new such eve foundation created for you, I'd volunteer to administer it, or you could surely find someone you personally know and trust.

I think that's a great idea Erotica. Ravaun seems like a great guy to have around. He's experienced in incursions, helpful to the community and, more importantly, he knows what it means to struggle with difficulties and remain optimistic. I think that's admirable and he would make a worthy friend for anyone, especially those who are going through problems of their own. Creating a foundation for him to further his efforts would not only allow him to reach out to more people in Eve, it would also serve as a legacy... His own unique mark on the universe. I'm quite touched by all this and I'd like to help in any way I can.

Oh god.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#78 - 2013-07-24 07:14:43 UTC

Then let someone else make the decision for you. You will app into my corp and I will accept your app when I wake up in the morning. I'm going to sleep right now. You will then proceed to do whatever it is you feel like doing while in the corp.

I don't charge tax, so if that helps whatever. I won't ask for your api, an interview, or even require something silly like being on comms if you don't want to.

There's pretty much no requirements asked of you, but you're free to join fleets of course. If you want to sit around in Jita and chat all day that's fine too. The only thing I really ask of guys in corp is to relax and have fun- that's what we're here for.

In the meantime, feel free to google me and see what you think. Of course, there's lots of wonderful eve forum content, but I think you'll enjoy reading my appearances in numerous articles on www.minerbumping.com and the forums over at www.belligerentundesirables.com

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Ravaun
Sex for Plex
#79 - 2013-07-24 07:17:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Ravaun
:) I don't intend to make a foundation for my self, thats being selfish. I already had some one name a ship after me and asked them not to...also. Ravaun's Awesome was a pretty weird ship name.
Then again, I named my own Inc ship Viator Omnissiah, and no one gets it yet! :D

I've decided to at least sit around on Eve-Uni till my acct expires, or I do. Which..my account has way to much time on it I realize. :( CCP got me back in when they showed shiny things a few months back, and I subbed with one of those 'one time deal for bittervets' :(

As for the new players who sent me mail :) I appreciate it, I'm not overly sure if I'm going to try and get back into where I was, it's pretty scary to me to one moment be in, then another out, then flippantly told 'What ever' about the situation. I've a healthy dose of paranoia in Eve, and its not that they might gank me thanks to Concordokken, but just troll me as a person.. :(
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#80 - 2013-07-24 07:27:00 UTC

Well. whatever you decide, good luck. If you knew who my Eve friends were I think you'd realize some of them have issues perhaps beyond your situation tbh.

By the way, I just don't know what to say about that ship name. I mean it would be like Gevlon Goblin naming his ships after Warcraft lore.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.