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Hmm - stabs, web.. cloak - hey guys that's a PVP fit and you don't need to spend years grinding ISK, racking up SPs, and then join a nullsec alliance to use those things.

LOL, excellent vid Harry!
Send us a message with the locations of the NPC stations. Very useful for staying out in the field longer.

^ He secretly wants to help...

Good idea-- thanks!

I just moved some assets in preparatin for the event. I'll be burning some ships on VFK until them, either mine or theirs

Good christ no.

Stabs are an awful idea. You're in a Gallente ship which needs to maximize it's low slots, and you have thrown 66% of them away. It's actually worse than not even fully fitting your ship, since you have gimped other core attributes.

That fit will lose awfully to any properly fit destroyer, or just about anything else. It's a dire, dire way to try to learn PVP because you have absolutely no idea of your engagement envelope as you're kicking it in the head three ways to Sunday.

You learn PVP by properly fitting cheap ships and losing them in combat. You're dual-stabbing a throwaway ship which is a frankly bizarre mindset - it's worth losing ships for the actual chance to kill things instead of losing due to your massively gimped setup.

Harry, I know you won't change what you're doing because you're a special blend of clueless and stubborn but if anyone else is reading this and wondering how to learn PVP, then for pity's sake do it in RvB or something and learn how to fly fully fit ships.

There's a reason this guy just films himself shooting noob ships and dying to anything else and it has nothing to do with a lack of SP or ISK.

There's no logic in 'denying' someone a T1 destroyer kill as it's completely worthless by any metric - people don't even bother posting the kills, or those of cyno ships. Whether he escapes and re-ships or explodes is irrelevant as he's not going to run out of ISK losing them, and I suppose someone is paying for it for him anyway.

Yes, it is effective in "kill something intrinsicly worthless, and escape" but the problem there is your entire target selection remains such. If he wants to do something like, say, catch a ratting ship and take it out (possible in destroyers, very handily in fact) then stabbed up cloaky fits are pointless.

I know you probably think "AHA! Look! he doesn't want you to use stabs because he wants to catch you!" but really nothing could be further from the truth - there's a very good reason the standing logic is "stabs always bad except for travel" that you really don't need to discover yourself by losing them.

Or worse in my estimation - losing opportunities for kills / damage because your fit is too risk averse to be effective.

It's as simple as this:
- Catching a ratting fit in and around VFK isn't too hard
- Killing them in a wellfit dessie is possible, but a close call often
- Killing them in a fit that sacrifices all tank and gank to flee is essentially impossible
- Killing a ratting ship actually does something; even humble tier3 BCs get faction fit at times.
- A properly fit ship can usually flee fights without needing warp stabs anyway; it's called kiting

Actually fitting one of damage / tank (or both) allows him to engage a target that can/will shoot back and stand a better chance of winning. In the case of, say, a Talos, a tanked destroyer will last long enough to kill the drones, and then the ship since it's guns can't track. Harry will simply lack the combination of EHP/DPS needed to kill anything that is reasonably fit for combat; the aforementioned Talos will mince him and fly off.

And yes, it is less risk averse to fly something that has a chance of doing something at the reduced chance of your own survival; this is pretty much the literal definition of it in fact, so I don't know what you're smoking. You are making yourself less efficient at doing something by reducing your risk of loss.

The "risk" here is also a T1 destroyer that most players out of trial consider fully disposable, so it's just sad.

e: that is all I am going to say on it. If you're honest you know you have exactly no experience at doing any of this so if not me, then listen to one of ~~~literally everyone ever~~~ who would agree fitting stabs to a PVP ship is a bad idea.
If you want it from the horses mouth, the patch notes when they changed how warp core stabs worked literally states they altered them so that fitting them to a ship to PVP in wouldn't be viable.
e2: as in, there's a better case to be made for armour Ravens than there are for filling 2/3 of your low slots with warp core stabs.

Uh, who said it wasn't fair?


This is the problem with you nullsec crowd. You are so stuck on this fair and not fair crap you assume that anything anybody does is equally childish and has equally childish reasons. This is why the idea of trespassing on your lawns and peeing on the garden gnome has such appealing butthurt potential. One of the driving forces here is that anybody can do it, and a day comes when thousands are doing what Harry and CO are doing, nullsec becomes what everybody says it is whenever they push their ePeens.

(That would be a festering hellhole of unpredictable PVP - that is, the "you are going to die in two seconds" lie gets closer to being the truth for all those who pushed their ePeens and gleefully told the lie).

It's not only fair, it's expected. And Harry is still killing ships. Because it's expected, that's why he has dual stabs. I said expect strange fits, didn't I?


Whatever new doctrines the goons take on in the future, please do us a favor make sure "getting over yourselves" is one of them.

dude you are getting it wrong again, a newb just wants to go to nullsec and fly around some time, engage in some fights and keep mobility, we do not have a base there to refit fast, we go 20 jumps up there, the last thing we want is die within the first fight we engage, thats why new players should use the stabs, you can engage many fight without loosing your ship

I'm talking about people going solo there, thats what you do not get, they can hardly win against your tech 2 stuff out there, thats why they want to engage and back off again, with this tactic I was able to shoot down 50 ships until now... and you might want to shut up about those cynos, I explained 100 times i shoot those while wating, the russians there do it the same, check my killboard there are other ships there as well, yesterday i shot down a destroyer and a frigate, what did you kill with a newbship within the first 3 month? asteroids only I assume

most of you guys never did what we are doing here, we learn it solo the hard way, you got no clue about that, because you learnd all what you know under the umbrella of your alliance