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Grouping with strangers?

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Nyrak
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-07-23 15:01:03 UTC
Since I primarily run research agents for Gallente Federation, my standing with the Caldari State have fallen pretty low. So I've been slowly working on some level one and two combat missions to help boost my ratings. So while doing a mission, I got a chat request, and attempting to be helpful with my limited knowledge, I replied and was asked if I was doing missions and if so, could this person join since they needed the faction too.

Since this is EVE and paranoia is a staple to this game, I was hesitant and attempted to look for information on if this was dangerous move or not. About a minute later, the person left the chat channel in disgust at my lack of speed in responding.

My first thought would be this person could run into my mission, steal what was required, and I would fail the mission.

So any comments or thoughts; or was I being too paranoid here?
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#2 - 2013-07-23 15:05:11 UTC
no such thing as 'too paranoid' in EVE.

I have occasionally joined others in running *thier* missions. I've never invited anyone into *my* missoins. So far, I've been satisfied with that distinction.
Hell, I've even been actually helpful. At the cost of stripping some of the loot cans, of course.

That said, allowing someone to invite themselves into your mission is *begging* to be safari'd.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3 - 2013-07-23 15:06:15 UTC
They can do that without sharing a fleet, and fleeting doesn't help you with faction standing anyway.

Faction standing is only rewarded to the owner of the mission, and the only way to get one of those is to have make your mission counter go up — sharing someone else's missions does not affect how many missions you are considered to have run. At most, it helps speeding up the process so you can bang the missions out faster and get a storyline mission sooner, but that's about it.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#4 - 2013-07-23 16:38:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
It's so disappointing to see potential friendships ruined by paranoia. I have to say, I do feel sorry for the person you rejected as I am currently trying to increase my in-game social network (particularly with high sec PvE players). It's a difficult group to break into.
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#5 - 2013-07-23 17:35:27 UTC
From another MMO I was used to just blindly accept invites; somebody might need help after all.

Well, I learned from that particular mistake and share your paranoia since this event.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#6 - 2013-07-23 17:37:27 UTC
embrel wrote:
Well, I learned from that particular mistake and share your paranoia since this event.

Why, what happened?
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#7 - 2013-07-23 17:46:38 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
embrel wrote:
Well, I learned from that particular mistake and share your paranoia since this event.

Why, what happened?



Got warped off & killed. That was the end of the story of my first retriever. But, have to admit I made quite a number of noobish mistakes.

I was in Amamake.
And the inviter had a -10 sec standing:)
Sonja d'Troyes
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-07-23 17:47:17 UTC
Tippia wrote:
They can do that without sharing a fleet, and fleeting doesn't help you with faction standing anyway.

Faction standing is only rewarded to the owner of the mission, and the only way to get one of those is to have make your mission counter go up — sharing someone else's missions does not affect how many missions you are considered to have run. At most, it helps speeding up the process so you can bang the missions out faster and get a storyline mission sooner, but that's about it.


Hi Tippia,

Do you happen to have anything to substantiate this claim? I want to say I noticed my standings improve, albeit incrementally, while fleeted with corpmates assisting in their missions. I was not the mission owner.

Also, I may be reading this wrong too. Are you talking about the 'faction' or 'NPC corporation' standing specifically or both? And, are you referencing the storyline agent mission awarded to a pilot after 16 of the same level / type missions that boosts 'faction' standing?

I appreciate the clarification!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#9 - 2013-07-23 17:49:59 UTC
Sonja d'Troyes wrote:
Do you happen to have anything to substantiate this claim? I want to say I noticed my standings improve, albeit incrementally, while fleeted with corpmates assisting in their missions. I was not the mission owner.
Those are standard corp missions, not storyline missions.

Corp missions give you corp standing, which is shared (along with agent rewards and bounties, if you're on-grid at the same time). Faction standing from storyline missions is not shared — you have to get your own from your own missions, which are only triggered by your own mission counter.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#10 - 2013-07-23 17:52:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
embrel wrote:
I was in Amamake.
And the inviter had a -10 sec standing:)

That's quite a funny story but not everyone has bad intentions. It's a shame to close yourself off from meeting new people because of one mistake.
Sonja d'Troyes
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-07-23 17:54:43 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Sonja d'Troyes wrote:
Do you happen to have anything to substantiate this claim? I want to say I noticed my standings improve, albeit incrementally, while fleeted with corpmates assisting in their missions. I was not the mission owner.
Those are standard corp missions, not storyline missions.

Corp missions give you corp standing, which is shared (along with agent rewards and bounties, if you're on-grid at the same time). Faction standing from storyline missions is not shared — you have to get your own from your own missions, which are only triggered by your own mission counter.


Awesome, now I understand. Thanks, Tippia!
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#12 - 2013-07-23 18:24:50 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
embrel wrote:
I was in Amamake.
And the inviter had a -10 sec standing:)

That's quite a funny story but not everyone has bad intentions. It's a shame to close yourself off from meeting new people because of one mistake.


True enough. Accepted another invite (after considerable internal discussions), so it didn't completely dissocialize me, but taught me some about eve customs. But, need to mention, the pirate was nice too:)

Due to other reasons I currently don't wanna join a corp., and that's one thing I'm missing a bit: spontaneous grouping

And I guess it's system-inherent and not my missing socialize V skill (one can hope).

Hevymetal
POT Corp
#13 - 2013-07-23 18:35:52 UTC
Just because you are paranoid, dosen't mean someone isn't out to get you.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#14 - 2013-07-23 18:39:28 UTC
Well you can always look me up if you're looking for someone to run missions with. I'm always interested in making new friends with nice people.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#15 - 2013-07-23 19:52:15 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:


Well you can always look me up if you're looking for someone to run missions with. I'm always interested in making new friends with nice people.

Oh god.


Once again, a Riot Girl post, in juxtaposition with her signature, becomes comedy gold. Cool
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#16 - 2013-07-23 19:58:37 UTC

I for one am quite disappointed that the content of the thread did not match my expectations given the title.

Aside from that, if you'd like to run some Caldari level 4's with my corp you are welcome to do so. I would actually prefer you don't join my corp anyway as I value my Caldari Navy standings. We generally in and around Jita, though we fly all over. Most of my spontaneous groupings though involve friends and some nasty carebears stealing Ice from the Saviour's systems.

Let me know if I can help!

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Cyrek Ohaya
Blazing Sun Group
#17 - 2013-07-23 20:02:34 UTC
Welcome to EVE an MMO where nobody likes each other.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-07-23 21:12:38 UTC
chat channel 'help my mission' used to be quite populated, don't know how active it is now.




healthy paranoia in eve is a good trait to have
however, not everyone is out to get you, not all the time anyway
some are, but not everyone

too much paranoia can actually ruin the eve experience
if your never prepared to place a little trust in someone you may as well be playing X3,
as an mmo the other people you can encounter in eve can give much more interest and enjoyment in the game
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-07-24 10:42:27 UTC
Sonja d'Troyes wrote:
Tippia wrote:
They can do that without sharing a fleet, and fleeting doesn't help you with faction standing anyway.

Faction standing is only rewarded to the owner of the mission, and the only way to get one of those is to have make your mission counter go up — sharing someone else's missions does not affect how many missions you are considered to have run. At most, it helps speeding up the process so you can bang the missions out faster and get a storyline mission sooner, but that's about it.


Hi Tippia,

Do you happen to have anything to substantiate this claim? I want to say I noticed my standings improve, albeit incrementally, while fleeted with corpmates assisting in their missions. I was not the mission owner.

Also, I may be reading this wrong too. Are you talking about the 'faction' or 'NPC corporation' standing specifically or both? And, are you referencing the storyline agent mission awarded to a pilot after 16 of the same level / type missions that boosts 'faction' standing?

I appreciate the clarification!


You can choose to share mission rewards and that will include the rep bonus for the npc CORP that you are both running missions for. However every 16 missions you will get a FACTION mission that gives a gain to faction rep. i don't know if this rep is sharable. I assume this is because whilst people are happy to share the former they are less happy to share the latter and do it later whilst not in fleet.

On a related note attacking fleet members is still a concord offense (unlike attacking corp members) so unless you are in a hauler/mining ship/ something bling there is no especial reason to be paranoid. Whilst a lot of people in EvE are indeed out to get you it is also true that there are a lot of helpful friendly people in the game. Forming in-game friendships and playing with those people is kinda the point of the game.

People often say don't fly what you can't afford to lose and this is true.
You should not take this to mean don't fly anything.
Likewise to get anything out of the game you will need to trust some people. Put limits on that trust (this can vary over time) but to trust no one is a sad way to play. Sometimes people will betray that trust and you will lose some pixels. Smile, learn any lessons to be learned and move on. A GF in local wouldn't go amiss either.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85

destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#20 - 2013-07-24 12:29:32 UTC
if he isnt in your corporation and trys to gank you. concord will save you, just make sure you survive long enough for them to come in. :).
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