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Recruitment channel and scamming - Clarification

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Player 90570295
La Blue Girl
#41 - 2011-11-10 04:40:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Player 90570295
Goose99 wrote:
Silly tard, goons =/= Eve.Lol

Btw, your stuff and sov, can I haz?Cool

I don't know if you can have his stuff, but you already have as much sov as him.

Probably Smashed wrote:
I see a lot of complaints about 'Goonwaffe scamming newbies'.
Newbies don't have any isk, why would we scam them?


This is a good point.

edit: This entire thing could be solved by a dev coming in here and saying "Yes this is our new policy" or "No, this is not our policy."
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2011-11-10 04:47:28 UTC
Kugutsumen Dot Com wrote:


edit: This entire thing could be solved by a dev coming in here and saying "Yes this is our new policy" or "No, this is not our policy."


No they dont....

Recruitment channel can only be managed by GM/Dev's

If that's what it says...it's policy...period.

I'm enjoying the "oh **** PANIC!" posts by the scammers....

Never mind the fact they are only interesting in policing recruitment chat.

But it seems everyone wants their tin foil hats and to say "The sky is falling!"

Ok chicken little's! Off you go!

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NGTM1R
Schrodinger's Labs
#43 - 2011-11-10 04:50:41 UTC  |  Edited by: NGTM1R
Drake Draconis wrote:
Recruitment channel can only be managed by GM/Dev's


Ah, another new fool with no conception of CCP's schizophrenic history on GM pronouncements at various levels. Any "the logs show nothing" idiot can change the channel. Anyone with experience with the petition system knows that such people are reversed on appeal to higher authority 50% the time (and then reversed again and that's reversed once more, because :Icelanders:).

The first layer of GMs are often regarded as a joke. They rarely seem to know anything about the game, or have more than a nodding relationship with logic. That's why someone wants to hear from a higher authority.

Night

Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2011-11-10 05:10:18 UTC
NGTM1R wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Recruitment channel can only be managed by GM/Dev's


Ah, another new fool with no conception of CCP's schizophrenic history on GM pronouncements at various levels. Any "the logs show nothing" idiot can change the channel. Anyone with experience with the petition system knows that such people are reversed on appeal to higher authority 50% the time (and then reversed again and that's reversed once more, because :Icelanders:).

The first layer of GMs are often regarded as a joke. They rarely seem to know anything about the game, or have more than a nodding relationship with logic. That's why someone wants to hear from a higher authority.


The only fool here is the one ignoring the obvious.

But since you can't see the obvious...you only have yourself to blame...so please...grow up....grow a brain....and go to your cave troll.

-1/10

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Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#45 - 2011-11-10 05:18:02 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
NGTM1R wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Recruitment channel can only be managed by GM/Dev's


Ah, another new fool with no conception of CCP's schizophrenic history on GM pronouncements at various levels. Any "the logs show nothing" idiot can change the channel. Anyone with experience with the petition system knows that such people are reversed on appeal to higher authority 50% the time (and then reversed again and that's reversed once more, because :Icelanders:).

The first layer of GMs are often regarded as a joke. They rarely seem to know anything about the game, or have more than a nodding relationship with logic. That's why someone wants to hear from a higher authority.


The only fool here is the one ignoring the obvious.

But since you can't see the obvious...you only have yourself to blame...so please...grow up....grow a brain....and go to your cave troll.

-1/10


Don't worry, they don't need to argue with you, or even try to have a relevant discussion with you.

All they have to do to make you look dumber than you currently look is flood all the major news outlets with another nasty story about CCP.

They've shown they'll revert a change in a heart beat if it causes bad press.

Stupid goonies spent the summer fixing your game, they must be ******** right??


Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2011-11-10 05:25:32 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
NGTM1R wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Recruitment channel can only be managed by GM/Dev's


Ah, another new fool with no conception of CCP's schizophrenic history on GM pronouncements at various levels. Any "the logs show nothing" idiot can change the channel. Anyone with experience with the petition system knows that such people are reversed on appeal to higher authority 50% the time (and then reversed again and that's reversed once more, because :Icelanders:).

The first layer of GMs are often regarded as a joke. They rarely seem to know anything about the game, or have more than a nodding relationship with logic. That's why someone wants to hear from a higher authority.


The only fool here is the one ignoring the obvious.

But since you can't see the obvious...you only have yourself to blame...so please...grow up....grow a brain....and go to your cave troll.

-1/10


Don't worry, they don't need to argue with you, or even try to have a relevant discussion with you.

All they have to do to make you look dumber than you currently look is flood all the major news outlets with another nasty story about CCP.

They've shown they'll revert a change in a heart beat if it causes bad press.

Stupid goonies spent the summer fixing your game, they must be ******** right??




Ok...so quit your subscription.

Because that's what it REALLY took to get CCP to change.

Lets be honest now my foolish friend.

Oh can I has your stuffs? 8)

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Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#47 - 2011-11-10 05:49:07 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:

Ok...so quit your subscription.

Because that's what it REALLY took to get CCP to change.

Lets be honest now my foolish friend.



Yea, bad press totally didn't have anything to do with the subscription numbers or new players trying out for it.


My bad.


Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

Player 90570295
La Blue Girl
#48 - 2011-11-10 06:29:47 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
********** Dot Com wrote:


edit: This entire thing could be solved by a dev coming in here and saying "Yes this is our new policy" or "No, this is not our policy."


No they dont....

Recruitment channel can only be managed by GM/Dev's

If that's what it says...it's policy...period.

Never in the history of the world has an exasperated minion said or done something that contradicted actual policy.

Luckily all it would take to solve this mystery/debate/whathaveyou is a dev coming in here and saying "Yes this is our new policy" or "No, this is not our policy."
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2011-11-10 06:35:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
Drake Darconis, you know better than this. You know full well how the whole CCP thing works, and by extension you know full well how this is going to pan out. Someone is going to get scammed, and they are going to use the "but I was in the recruitment channel a while ago, they must have seen me through that", even though the char doing the actual scam isn't even near the recruitment channel.

You have to be able to see that in a game where people use neutral alts to provide logistical support to game the system, or flip cans etc, something like this is going to be abused to get revenge because they were being dumbfucks and got scammed.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Goose99
#50 - 2011-11-10 06:40:05 UTC
Kugutsumen Dot Com wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
********** Dot Com wrote:


edit: This entire thing could be solved by a dev coming in here and saying "Yes this is our new policy" or "No, this is not our policy."


No they dont....

Recruitment channel can only be managed by GM/Dev's

If that's what it says...it's policy...period.

Never in the history of the world has an exasperated minion said or done something that contradicted actual policy.

Luckily all it would take to solve this mystery/debate/whathaveyou is a dev coming in here and saying "Yes this is our new policy" or "No, this is not our policy."


How about "Yes, this is our policy, and it applies to all of Eve, not just a channel?" When a dog gets too feisty, it gets kicked. Very smart of you to try to stir up trouble against CCP and rest of Eve player base. Whatever "clarification" comes, it won't be the one you delusional tards are looking for.

Enjoy the gray area while it's still around.Lol
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2011-11-10 06:45:43 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
How about "Yes, this is our policy, and it applies to all of Eve, not just a channel?"

How about "Hey, why did EVE Online turn into Hello Kitty Online, where everyone is protected from their own stupidity by Daddy CCP"?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Player 90570295
La Blue Girl
#52 - 2011-11-10 07:23:37 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
********** Dot Com wrote:

Luckily all it would take to solve this mystery/debate/whathaveyou is a dev coming in here and saying "Yes this is our new policy" or "No, this is not our policy."


How about "Yes, this is our policy, and it applies to all of Eve, not just a channel?" When a dog gets too feisty, it gets kicked. Very smart of you to try to stir up trouble against CCP and rest of Eve player base. Whatever "clarification" comes, it won't be the one you delusional tards are looking for.

Enjoy the gray area while it's still around.Lol

If that's what they say, that's what they say. I'm not trying to stir up trouble, all I am saying (the only claim I have made) is that this issue could be resolved by a dev coming in here and saying if it is or isn't CCP policy.

That is the only thing I am claiming: That the question as to if this is or isn't CCP policy could be answered by a CCP Dev coming in here and saying if it is or isn't.
Steelshine
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#53 - 2011-11-10 08:19:04 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:

Ok...so quit your subscription.

Because that's what it REALLY took to get CCP to change.

Lets be honest now my foolish friend.

Oh can I has your stuffs? 8)





I was having a pretty good night.




Then you reminded me there are people as stupid as you out in the world Cry
mental maverick
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#54 - 2011-11-10 09:44:02 UTC
I can somewhat understand CCP not wanting blatant scam ads clogging up the recruitment channel because of new players, even if i don't agree with it, but this part right here: "this includes, but not limited to, using the recruitment channel as a platform to find or target players to scam" is completely ******** tbh.

This WILL get abused.

Are all you hurfblurfscammertearsarejuicynomnom-retards really not able to see this? Are you THAT stupid?
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2011-11-10 11:54:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Florestan Bronstein
don't see the big deal, there are many other player-operated chat channels with "no scamming" rules

if you don't like the new rule, set up your own recruitment channel and advertise it.

DHD getting banned does more good to EVE than all other changes in the winter expansion combined.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2011-11-10 12:10:01 UTC
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
don't see the big deal, there are many other player-operated chat channels with "no scamming" rules

And those are governed by CCP, are they?

Florestan Bronstein wrote:
if you don't like the new rule, set up your own recruitment channel and advertise it.

2 hours and 10 minutes to read the post above you, and you still post this. :golfclap:

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

HELIC0N ONE
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2011-11-10 13:15:59 UTC
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
if you don't like the new rule, set up your own recruitment channel and advertise it.


Why would anyone look for a new corp in an unofficial recruitment channel which is just like the official one with the added 'feature' that you might get scammed? Why would any legitimate recruiter be using an unofficial recruitment channel rather than the official CCP approved scam-free-zone?

Perhaps CCP should apply this 'no sandboxing allowed' policy to other aspects of the game. Maybe a region should be a designated zone for 1v1 combat only, where CCP ban anyone who uses dishonourable tactics in PvP? Maybe highsec ice belts should be a CCP-approved miner-only zone where suicide gankers are banned and all dead hulks are reimbursed by GMs? Maybe Jita 4-4 should be for 'fair' trading only and any form of market manipulation is a petitionable offence?

After all, if we don't like the new rules we could always go and sandbox somewhere else!
Yeep
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2011-11-10 13:26:14 UTC
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
don't see the big deal, there are many other player-operated chat channels with "no scamming" rules


In a player run channel if I break the rules I get kicked from the channel
In a CCP run channel I guess I get my account banned

The main currency in EvE is not ISK or AUR, its trust. In a player run channel I have to trust that the people running the channel are going to uphold the rules, that they're not colluding with scammers to take my money. Those people have to earn my trust either directly or through the opinions of other people I already trust. In a CCP run channel where scamming is banned it completely removes trust from the equation. Nobody has to work for my trust because it is provided for them by CCP.

This is why this change is stupid.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#59 - 2011-11-10 13:33:57 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Tomytronic wrote:
whine & butthurtCry


Wrong. What they do is checking chat logs in their channel. Their channel, their rules.Bear



The logs ... they show nothing.Cool

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

GM Thunder
Game Masters
C C P Alliance
#60 - 2011-11-10 14:41:51 UTC
The recent update of the channel MOTD is not a policy change, scamming was not allowed in the recruitment channel before and it was stated in the previous MOTD. However, the channel was still being used to scam players, hence the update and clarification of the ‘no scamming’ policy.

For your convenience I have included a copy of the previous MOTD:

'Welcome to the recruitment channel. This channel is intended for those players looking to find a new corporation, as well as those looking to enlist new players. Other activities, such as non-recruitment discussion and scamming are not permitted in this channel. An additional recruitment source is the Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center section of the forums.'

GM Thunder Senior Game Master EVE Online Customer Support