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[DUTY] AAR 19 JULY YC 115 -- Unprovoked attacks on PFDC by Diana Kim of State Protectorate
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Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#41 - 2013-07-22 16:06:48 UTC
This is just hilarious! I suppose there are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

When I and others called Kim a sociopath, genocidal murderer, terrorist and lacking of any honor all you Statists rushed to her defense. You claimed that although she was "overzealous" that she was following your heiian code, a true defender of the State, etc etc. Now that she's shown herself to be all that we claimed, you profess shock and sadness. Oh my...

Roll

Anabella Rella types out something on a datapad and then holds it up to the camera. In large letters the display reads: I TOLD YOU SO!

I shouldn't gloat I know but, this is just too delicious!

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-07-22 16:12:08 UTC
We believe in looking after our own and not cutting people off at the first sign of trouble. We believe in solidarity, and attempting to fix our own breakages. We believe in second chances, and not giving up on our comrades.

You'll have a hard time painting those as vices. Given the choice, I'd always take the scenario where we made the attempt but you turned out to be right, over the one where we wrote her off and you turned out to be wrong.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-07-22 16:12:49 UTC
Stitcher wrote:

Are you saying that it's normal and acceptable to resolve an interpersonal conflict with violence? I'm aware that such may be considered the default capsuleer response, but let's not be complacent when it happens. If the Caldari are "different" for preferring that interpersonal conflicts be resolved without gunfire, then I think I like to be different.

Well, in fact, I am always opened for conversation and always can accept solutions that doesn't include violence. However, I am afraid, that woman like Gesakaarin is simple unable to do this thing. I was trying to talk with her, but without vain, it is obvious, that the only possible solution for cases like her is violence.
I repeat, that I am always opened for different solution. But I am pretty sure it won't happen.

Stitcher wrote:

STPRO pilots shooting at STPRO pilots, however, is a professional matter. It's effectively insurrection, treason and sabotage. So of course there's outrage involved. you don't shoot the people who are flying under the same banner as you, end of story.

Incorrect. You, Sir, are not in the Protectorate to understand how things work here. Heck, after certain events I can't call you Caldari anymore. But I will explain.
The State Protectorate lacks Military Police and regulatory force, and thus all internal affairs lays to our hands. There are quite a few pilots that openly support the Federation, and quite a number of obvious spies. Have you ever heard of "Fleetwarpto Sujarento"? This is quite infamous spy for the federation that we pop on sight. And we don't bring this topics to public. Well, if this woman Gesakaarin wants to bring her dirty pants to public discussion and get support of gallente-minded capsuleers, well, her choice, maybe she will plan to hide in the Federation someday (if she survive this), who knows...

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#44 - 2013-07-22 16:22:22 UTC
Sure, whatever Stitcher. Oh and by the way, we Matari also look after our own. We don't routinely throw our people under the bus at the first sign of difficulty and I resent your insinuation. But Kim has been a long term problem, you knew she was, you had it pointed out to you yet, you did nothing to get her under control, "save" her, get her psychiatric help, etc. You (and I'm using you in the general sense of State loyalists, not necessarily you specifically) merely defended her insanity and attacked those who tried to warn you.

I guess you can no longer ignore the problem. Good luck with getting this genie back into the bottle.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-07-22 16:32:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
As a rule, I don't insinuate. I certainly didn't insinuate that Matari do not look after their own - I strive not to utter such patent falsehoods. Remember, I was (briefly) a member of your alliance, and have been living in the Republic for more than two years now. I would have to be a dribbling myopic lunatic to believe that Matari lacked a sense of community.

I apologise if what I wrote could be read in such a way, but I think it can only be thus read if you WANT to read it that way. May I please ask you to assume that I'm being tykuunivan (AUTOTRANS: Napanii adjective - "forthright, but friendly and respectful") with you, rather than insulting?

As for what could have been done - she's a capsuleer. There are additional obstacles involved in controlling, "saving", getting psych help etc. for a capsuleer. It's... effectively impossible to section us. I feel happy that we did as much as was realistic, and gave her as many opportunities as were fair.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-07-22 17:03:14 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
We don't routinely throw our people under the bus at the first sign of difficult


Your own people, at least...

Anabella Rella wrote:
I guess you can no longer ignore the problem. Good luck with getting this genie back into the bottle.


There is a lot of this going around right now.

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Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#47 - 2013-07-22 18:08:03 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
We don't routinely throw our people under the bus


No, just your allies when it's convenient for you to do so.


So Pilot Kim is now engaging in targets outside of CONCORD legality? Traitor and a criminal all in one fell swoop to go with her already existing status as a genocidal, racist bigot.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#48 - 2013-07-22 18:44:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
To say that all other paths have been explored would be a gross understatement.

Hearing Kim compare our organisation to the likes of Sujarento, a spy for the Federation who scouts for their fleets quite openly, simply underlines Kim's strange pathology. Pyre Falcon has been in the warzone, fighting on behalf of the State and it's allies since it's inception. The pilots involved have been State Loyalists since long before that.

Miss Rella is quite right that we were quick to defend Kim in the past, based on her long service in the warzone - we respect the efforts of others. It's a shame that Kim seems incapable of doing this herself.

Still, the situation is not unrecoverable. At the very least, all that she has to do to avoid more punishing losses of ships and crew and sanctions from the State Protectorate is to STOP SHOOTING AT US. Since Pyre Falcon have not chosen to respond by throwing away the militia regulations, she is in no danger if she doesn't aggress us.

Beyond that? She should seriously think about getting some help.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#49 - 2013-07-23 00:06:46 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
I shouldn't gloat I know but, this is just too delicious!


Oh! Oh, my! Tears, I must wipe away the tears. It's not *quite* as delicious as a band of superficial halfwits coming up with the imbecilic legal theory of "blood jurisdiction" to justify an attack upon an ally over the death of a "leader" the same morons vilified prior to her distress, of course, but there you have it. What will these idiots think of next?
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#50 - 2013-07-23 00:25:07 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:
I shouldn't gloat I know but, this is just too delicious!


Oh! Oh, my! Tears, I must wipe away the tears. It's not *quite* as delicious as a band of superficial halfwits coming up with the imbecilic legal theory of "blood jurisdiction" to justify an attack upon an ally over the death of a "leader" the same morons vilified prior to her distress, of course, but there you have it. What will these idiots think of next?


I guess those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, should they?

Katrina Oniseki
Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#51 - 2013-07-23 12:00:22 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
This is just hilarious! I suppose there are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

When I and others called Kim a sociopath, genocidal murderer, terrorist and lacking of any honor all you Statists rushed to her defense. You claimed that although she was "overzealous" that she was following your heiian code, a true defender of the State, etc etc. Now that she's shown herself to be all that we claimed, you profess shock and sadness. Oh my...

Roll

Anabella Rella types out something on a datapad and then holds it up to the camera. In large letters the display reads: I TOLD YOU SO!

I shouldn't gloat I know but, this is just too delicious!

Hate to stomp on your little gloat parade, but not every State loyalist defended Kim.

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Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#52 - 2013-07-23 12:40:09 UTC
Let her gloat, it's all she has.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-07-23 14:42:19 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:
I shouldn't gloat I know but, this is just too delicious!


Oh! Oh, my! Tears, I must wipe away the tears. It's not *quite* as delicious as a band of superficial halfwits coming up with the imbecilic legal theory of "blood jurisdiction" to justify an attack upon an ally over the death of a "leader" the same morons vilified prior to her distress, of course, but there you have it. What will these idiots think of next?


I guess those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, should they?


The windows and walls of that house are already shattered, another stone won't matter.

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Laria Raven
The Scope
#54 - 2013-07-23 16:22:42 UTC
That was a very interesting, if rather stilted, account.

Mme. Kim, now that you have had a taste of the pirate existence... fancy being one?

Fallen from grace. And as night comes, may flights of Angels visit your sleep... shoot your ships and steal all of your stuff.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#55 - 2013-07-23 16:32:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Anabella Rella
Pilot Stitcher your points are valid. There was only so much that could have been done to modify Kim's behavior. I just find it hard to believe that even after her most recent acts of treachery and insanity there are those who continue to address her as Kim-haani.

As to your other point; fair enough. I was a bit quick to judge your words. I've known you to be an honest and reasonable person of great integrity. My apologies.

Noh, Desiderya you can take a long walk from a short pier into very deep water.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-07-23 17:03:27 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
I just find it hard to believe that even after her most recent acts of treachery and insanity there are those who continue to address her as Kim-haani.


Why wouldn't they? The -haani suffix here merely means she's a State citizen.

I'll send you a copy of Archan Trivale's "Another State of mind". It's a good introduction to Caldari culture, and it really helped me out when I was living there.

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Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#57 - 2013-07-23 17:04:14 UTC
Laria Raven wrote:
That was a very interesting, if rather stilted, account.

Mme. Kim, now that you have had a taste of the pirate existence... fancy being one?


As a former Angel, I have to ask... do you seriously want a rabid dog under that banner?
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-07-23 17:25:31 UTC
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:
I just find it hard to believe that even after her most recent acts of treachery and insanity there are those who continue to address her as Kim-haani.


Why wouldn't they? The -haani suffix here merely means she's a State citizen.

I'll send you a copy of Archan Trivale's "Another State of mind". It's a good introduction to Caldari culture, and it really helped me out when I was living there.


I think she knows that. And I suspect the point she was making is that many of us are continuing to give her the same honour due a State citizen.

I quite agree that maybe we should stop. You don't get to affiliate with and publicly declare your loyalty to declared enemies of the State and get to keep referring to yourself, or being referred to as, a citizen.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2013-07-23 17:36:05 UTC
Eventually, of course, the number of people she considers "true" Caldari citizens will asymptotically reduce to two - herself and Heth.

And Heth isn't exactly long for this world. It'll be pretty lonely.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#60 - 2013-07-23 17:43:33 UTC
Well, to me it is pretty obvious that Kim-guri has decided to walk this path a while ago already.
At least she continues to be useful, that's something we ought to keep in mind, although this AAR shows precisely how we in [DUTY] deal with terrorists when we witness it.

Maybe you can convince her with a strongly worded letter to mend her ways? Here are some very experienced IGS veterans present, after all.

And Captain Rella - come and try and make me do it.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.