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Phantasm - Player Made Incursions
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Anthar Thebess
#1 - 2013-07-19 10:14:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Anthar Thebess
This cruiser is useless now.
The plan is quite simple.
Give it speed bonus to flying in cloak, and small jump drive - very short range 1-2 LY.
This way we could make our own incursions Twisted

I know that i ask for a lot.
But how many people not dream about fleet of this kind - and what most important it looks awesome :D

Right now offensive/defensive capabilities of this ship are more than bad - don't change them to not make this ship OP.

Phantasm


I WANT THIS!

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TehCloud
Guardians of the Dodixie
#2 - 2013-07-19 10:29:15 UTC
No.
Next.

My Condor costs less than that module!
Anthar Thebess
#3 - 2013-07-19 10:32:11 UTC
TehCloud wrote:
No.
Next.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=641097&view=ships_weapons&m=7&y=2013
Let me guess why - it will be to expensive , t1 frigates are better?

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Ix Method
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-07-19 12:23:30 UTC
You guessed incorrectly.

Travelling at the speed of love.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-07-19 12:28:30 UTC
no


This idea is terrible.... its not going to be a player lead incursion unless you make the phantasm immune to concord, which would just be ********.....

a sub cap ship with a super short jump range is useless, and a bonus to cloak speed is nearly useless as well (insta warp after cloak, but the MWD+ warp thing should work fine).

I suppose a reduction to the retargetting and scan res penalty would be interesting, or the ability to fit covops cloaks... but meh.
Anthar Thebess
#6 - 2013-07-19 12:35:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Anthar Thebess
LOL.
Who is talking about Highsec ?

Did you watch some old eve trailers?
Phanasm fleet showing up near mining op?
I WANT THIS!
My incursions are roaming groups :) and they still have to jump to cyno.
And yes - im talking about nullsec!

If we make this a mini BO - then remember BO cannot use Covert Cloak ;)
This ship don't have big dps, also not so good tank , but the ability to swarm your enemies in ships looking like this -> priceless.

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Andracin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-07-19 12:53:12 UTC
This would be the most pointless change in the history of the game. You can already covert jump portal or titan bridge if you really need to drop some ships onto someones face. OR jump on them in black ops bs. If you really need to jump a phantasm fleet get your alliance to set up an op and use your titan. Even low-sec pirate alliances have the ability now with the massive titan proliferation.
Anthar Thebess
#8 - 2013-07-19 13:00:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Anthar Thebess
But thats the point!
1. You don't have to use titan - and this will be good! thing for small groups, and for older players.
2. You can operate deep in enemy territory
3. You will have to use gates to get closer to targets but at the same time use jour jump drive to atack your enemy from the back.

This will bring a lot of fresh air to the game.

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Shiera Kuni
Electric Machete
#9 - 2013-07-19 15:14:36 UTC
Relevant

CCP Falcon:  This thread is terrible.
Satyra Eventide
The Council
#10 - 2013-07-23 00:52:46 UTC
You know, BlackOps?
Dring Dingle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-07-23 04:49:17 UTC
I agree the phantasm is SH#T

The only love it needs however is either, larger cap capacity or a faster recharging one, and more speed/less sig.


Start giving it -out of role- bonus's, and every one will want them on their favorite ship. its a cruiser. not a blackops.


Dringy
Anthar Thebess
#12 - 2013-07-23 07:41:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Anthar Thebess
Tbh - we have enough typical roaming ships.
Im just thinking about something new.

If you make it as a new vagab... people will still use vaga - because they can choose damage type.
It is also easier to get.

It will be nice to have there something new.
Ewar? We have recons.

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Constapatris
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-07-23 10:25:25 UTC
Phantasm indeed needs some love, but what you proposed is absolutely terrible.
It needs a tad more speed/agility, more drones and a shield boost bonus (like they put on the Sansha Noobfrig).

Besides that, the Phantasm is fine.
Anthar Thebess
#14 - 2013-07-23 10:44:46 UTC
Constapatris wrote:
Phantasm indeed needs some love, but what you proposed is absolutely terrible.
It needs a tad more speed/agility, more drones and a shield boost bonus (like they put on the Sansha Noobfrig).

Besides that, the Phantasm is fine.


No right now phantasm is not fine ;)
Because it lacks all the things people are writing - just to be good for pvp.
And like i said i want something new - we already have many ships for roams, gangs etc.

Now talos (cheaper) is in every possible way better than Phantasm.
You compare BC to Cruiser - yes and no.
It is just to point that we already have many grate roaming/gang ships.
We have recons,
etc etc.
Something new would be nice.

Why stupid idea with the JumpDrive?

Why not? Older players have their BO/Carriers/Dreads/Supers - this way new player can also taste this kind of fun.
And tbh the view of 50 Phantasm fleet will be nice :D
Limited range, and limited capabilities will not make this ship OP, especially that someone still need to light the cyno.

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Constapatris
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-07-23 11:13:02 UTC
For me your post above pretty much explains you have no idea what you're talking about, in addition to requesting basicly a black ops faction cruiser.

What use is cloaking?
What's the use of jumping?

Its niche roles. If you want more covops ships make a thread requesting more covops ships, dont mutilate my Phantasm.
Sansha ship strength is the tracking, (relative) high damage output from a low amount of turrets and the utility slots.
Anthar Thebess
#16 - 2013-07-23 11:37:55 UTC
Constapatris wrote:

Its niche roles. If you want more covops ships make a thread requesting more covops ships, dont mutilate my Phantasm.
Sansha ship strength is the tracking, (relative) high damage output from a low amount of turrets and the utility slots.


Fit it, fly it, and then post again :)

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Jureth22
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2013-07-23 11:39:22 UTC
+ 1.pirate ships need love bad.
Constapatris
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-07-23 11:45:09 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Constapatris wrote:

Its niche roles. If you want more covops ships make a thread requesting more covops ships, dont mutilate my Phantasm.
Sansha ship strength is the tracking, (relative) high damage output from a low amount of turrets and the utility slots.


Fit it, fly it, and then post again :)


You're barking up the wrong tree, the Phantasms one of my most commonly used pvp ships:
http://www.figl-alliance.com/?a=pilot_detail&plt_ext_id=1893909101&view=ships_weapons
I know the strengths and weaknesses of the Phantasms, where I doubt you've ever piloted one and just want something OP to go with the looks.
Anthar Thebess
#19 - 2013-07-23 11:50:52 UTC
http://www.figl-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=93919
Nice fit , still Phantasm is much worst than other pirate ships.
Additionally with the boost that t1 curisers received it is much worst, and don't forget upcoming changes :
Quote:

Medium Beams:
+25% Damage Multiplier
-10% Tracking Speed


You will get more alpha , but hitting will be harder.

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Constapatris
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-07-23 11:58:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Constapatris
Anthar Thebess wrote:
http://www.figl-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=93919
Nice fit , still Phantasm is much worst than other pirate ships.
Additionally with the boost that t1 curisers received it is much worst, and don't forget upcoming changes :
Quote:

Medium Beams:
+25% Damage Multiplier
-10% Tracking Speed


You will get more alpha , but hitting will be harder.


Beams + extender + XLASB was a thing I was testing but that fit is actually going to rock quite hard after the changes.
QLBL's have very nice tracking for beam lasers, reasonable damage and super easy fitting.
I've tested kiting phantasms, dual ASB phantasms, regular extender phantasms, pulse lasers, beam lasers, the lot.

What I'm proposing keeps the Phantasm in its role but patches up the broken leg and the fractured shoulder.
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