EVE General Discussion

After losing 20 tengus, you've lost 4M SP, but you've lost enough isk to buy a character with 40M SP.

I'm pretty sure that there will be not one, but four threadnoughts on the feature discussion forums when time will come to balance T3s.

I'm also conviced that the initial proposal will contain some (not only) hilarous mistakes of poor balancing attempt.

But I'm certain that player feedback will be important, and that CCP will end up with a good rebalance for the final design after mixing their ideas with community's ones.

A point yes, but the reason is that Falcons are a pure support ship and there aren't as enough Titans/Supercaps to compete with the the pure number of subcaps.

Perhaps a more useful stat that CCP should provide the community, for sake of informing the debate, is the "Kill per capita". The number of total kills of a ship class divided by the total number of that ship class flown. Perhaps 'Kill Index" would be a proper name.

Kill Index = (Kills of a ship class) / (# ship class used during the kill)

for example 10 Canes killing 2 ships apiece would yield 20 kills, but a Kill Index of only 2/10 or 0.2.
Whereas 1 tengu killing 10 ships yielding only 10 kills, but a Kill Index of 10 (over 20 times larger).

CCP can you throw us a bone and post the latest TQ stats with some sort of 'kill index' measurement? Then the community could judge for themselves what is and what is not OP in the current armamentariums of Eve ships.

yk

EDIT:

Of course isk cost (and in the sake of T3 SP cost) IS a valid balancing so perhaps an Index that takes isk cost into account would be even more useful. Call it the "Kill Cost Index".

Kill Cost Index = Kill Index / Isk Value of the ship
Kill Cost Index = ((Kills of a ship class) / (# of ship class used during the kill ))/ Isk Value of the ship

yk

Posting in stealth "CCP NERF T3s" thread.

@ OP: If not then haters gonna hate.

Research your T1BPOs and build your own crap, those are and will be good enough so you don't need to waste time training spec ships, those FC's who want them in their fleets can always buy alts on toons bazaar.

All you need is:


T2 guns, shield, armor, prop, targeting mods

Then:
*T1 frigs strong enough you don't need to waste time for T2's, train a second character for sell in toons bazaar instead.

Bombers: no need if you know how to use mwd/cloak trick, it's just a little "plus" for a flimsy ship dropping one bomb every 3min, let special multi alts snowflakes do it instead. Train a second character for sale instead

EAF: duno exactly if I should just lol or not but stick with T1's, don't waste time train another character instead

Cruisers: T1/Navy/Pirate versions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HACs- best skill over this is the lvl5 cruiser because :bonus: everything else is an option you don't have to nor absolutely need, no one will notice a difference if you fly a Navy Omen instead of Zealot, its faster and good enough plus it's cheaper per POP, train another character instead

Logistics: leave that for those who like playing space shamans, pass your turn or eventually use T1 logis, those are already strong enough, don't waste time with T2s train another character instead.

Reccons: T1 versions are good enough in numbers and are as tankier/faster than T2's+have +1rig slot =+tank or +ability
Only interesting stuff with T2 reccons is the cover ops cloaking device, a single module makes the ship worth, once you're uncloak T1 does the same thing for 1/5th of the price. Train another character instead

DIctors/hictors: leave that for noobs who like to die without a single rep, spend lots of isk to help his fleet and win hate and insults at first mistake, eventually leave the FC do it with one of his alts.

T1 BC's: arty canes always good, ham drakes always good, prophecies seem pretty cool, navy versions seem quite good, forget T2 versions and leadership training skills, leave that for someone else instead, train another character.

In short: train T1 ships leave everything else for special snowflakes and train other character for sell and make billions of isk. T3's are soon to become a piece of crap, just take a look at HACs revamp and tell me you guys don't have the /facepalm attitude. Again instead of wasting a huge amount of time training lvl5 skills to make it work perfectly just train another character and leave special snowflakes do it, bring fast tackle disruption frigate/cruiser or T1 logistics, always needed and doesn't make a difference for YOU. Train another character instead, hell you can maybe train 2 and be sure you'll loose no SP unless you forget to update your clone.

Battleships: who needs to train battleships and big guns? -never need this, bring fast tackle disruption frigate/Cruiser eventually T1 logistics and that's it, you're done and can again train at least 2 character in the same time you'd be required to train battleship only best skills.

This is how I should have played this game from day 1, guess why.

LOL, makes you wonder if they designed T3 originally to have a full legion(any faction T3) fleet be able to perform all of it';s functions.

"Oh lord, a fleet of 20 Tengus.... which one is the logi?!"

That would actually be quite the fun roam actually if you think about it.

Tacklers, neuts, drones, logis, heavy dps....

Using same hull across the Wing.

Yet my DED B Type AB Tengu is far from ever get the same speed I have with my tornado/talos/naga/oracle and very far away from the same dps or range, I can easily cut speed and dps by 2 at least, range with hams is barely half I get with LR weapons and short range ammo on those attack BC's (RF Phased Plasma at 120Km for a 10K volley)

To get past 60km with hams you have 3 missile range rigs+use javs= 0 dps rig and 0 uber legendary battleship tank rigs

And of course every one flies PVP Tengus with faction extenders A type ab's etc etc etc blah blah blah....it's all over the place in null but strangely enough seems we don't kill that much unlike combat/attack BC's or cruisers, so how OP are those?

Also:
If you can't fit your Sleipnir for 750 dps you should learn to fit.

If you can't fit your Astarte for 750 dps (and 750 is jut the beginning) you should learn to fit

If you can't fit your Vulture for 600+ dps with blasters at ranges another ship is using rails, you should learn to fit

If you can't fit your Abso for at least 600 dps with scorch at ranges I'm using rails instead of blasters, you do it wrong.

And only these have already a huge tank on top of excellent dps.


I clearly fail to read eve-kill battle reports with all T3 faction/ded space fitted cruisers in being boosted by titans and lokis.

Can someone link me some of those from the past 3 months?
For now all I know is about some loki fleet with 140kEHP shooting 250'ish dps at not even 75km

So my question is, where are all those 200K EHP 700DPS Tengus or 1K dps 800M HP Proteus?

But why are you so mad about it? Don't you want the game to be better?

Don't agree with your first point.

But the Edit is spot on. Boosts were not a problem until the tech III command subsystems showed up.

Yes, because it's well known fact that all T3 pilots only use three subsystem configuration:
- dps + tank
- OGB
- cloak + nullifier

And those are used just because you can do it better than in any other ship. Sorry, but that's not even near what T3s are supposed to be.

Before the tracking nerf they were able to hit cruisers with dreadnought guns. There wasn't a single subcap fleet that could do anything to stop a titan blob with super support.





CCP tried to balance titans with isk cost and it didn't work. When alliances can afford to blob ships worth over 100 billion a ship worth 400 mil isn't exactly going to be hard to afford.