EVE General Discussion

I keep trying to push exploration as a career in the game for all those "casual" players out there who complain that they cannot leave highsec because they are casual players.

So the perception of how to play is highly important and yes it's frustrating to see people do grind and spiders for years thinking they need trillions of ISK to be a leet PVPer.

Probably do need that much IF you want to use faction ships with the best possible modules and find out (or ignore the fact) that nothing survives a gate camp.

I just spent a month wormhole hopping hitting sleeper sites in low class systems and now running radar and arch sites in 0.0 for the past two weeks. All of this alone.

The often missed nature of the so-called "sandbox" is that you can play the game anyway you want it, but look at the prisons of the mind that are constructed so rapidly!
It's almost as if the moment new players arrive they are assailed with only several tracks of how to play:
1. He who racks up the most kills or killmails wins.
2. He who racks up the most ISK wins.
3. He who participates in the largest fleet fights wins.

Funny thing is, none of those tracks deliver. In track one, you will spend a lot of time either gate camping or roaming in empty systems watching the bots SS up. In track 2 it's "spreadsheets online" and where do you go with all that ISK once you have it? In track 3 people put up with being a 0.0 renter/pet with visions of Star Wars-sized fleet fights in their head and they have to grind to pay the rant, get blobbed by caps, and if a fleet fight happens they get a frame rate of one per 5 seconds and wake up in a clone vat.

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It's a computer game, so it can't be hard core as the worst thing that can happen to you is that you might get RSI in your wrist.

Winning in EVE is very personal, you win when you're getting enjoyment out of what you're doing. Whatever that may be.

Having said that....


WoW raiding is more hardcore than this game.

I can not log in for a week here. Log on when I feel like it, do what I want to do, go where I want.

When you're in a top 2 or 3 Guild on a server and it's raid time 3-4 days a week if you're not looged in at raid time the phone starts ringing the texts start rolling in.

Spending 4-5 hours a night wiping to the same boss for 2 weeks straight until you finally get it down.

241 wipes on Yogg-Saron before it finally went down because 1/25 people would make just 1 mistake, including me. (I haven't played since then)

Blasphemer. My level 80 Night Elf is REAL DAMNIT! REAL I TELL YOU!!! REAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You won't get rid of alts.




I was thinking of this problem the other day.

An answer would be to have the rep linked to all your characters (and accounts), so one takes a negative standing hit they all do. Of course this would kill RP for a lot of people. But it would mean that the rep would be associated to the player and not the characters, it would stop the creation of throw away characters though.

It is a feeling that often depends on the size of your balls!!

Butthurt much? "I want it to be easy to kill that defenseless ship that I'm not supposed to kill". CCP hasn't taken anything away from you. Care-bears can still be killed. You just want to do it for free. Go do some real PvP.

Modern gamers want to feel hardcore, but only if everything is fair. I often think about how unfair war is, and how war games usually have to avoid that to provide a fun experience.

You want to see hardcore games, go back 20-30 years. One life, instant death when grazed by anything, no saves or checkpoints, and deliberately impossible to complete because they never made an ending.

Pong is so hardcore.