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CEP, KK CALL FOR HETH'S ARREST
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-07-20 09:24:02 UTC
News source:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/cep-kk-call-for-heths-arrest/

I think indeed, the Caldari Business Tribunal could solve this situation and will place those CEO's who were acting against former Executor in the same trial with Heth-haan, so he could field counter-claim against them. At least, for counter-revolution, slander and high treason against the State.

Such situation could be the first step to reinstating Tibus Heth in a position of Executor and returning the State to former glory. As you can see, charges against Heth-haan are fabricated, and megacorp CEOs won't have a chance against him:

1. Murder of Admiral Yanala?
This is ridiculous. Drinking the tea implies taking the cup by your own will.

2. Terrorism?
If they want to prosecute for being a terrorist, what is next? They will start prosecuting for being a combat pilot? A gun turret operator? Foot soldier?
Besides, I never heard that Heth-haan himself participated in any terror operation.

3. Political extremism?
It is what they did, is political extremism!

4. Theft of vessels?
These vessels indeed belonged to Kaalakiota corporation, but when they were used, Heth-haan was CEO of Kaalakiota and it was within his scope to relocate corporation resources. There is simply no fact of theft.

5. Embezzlement of resources?
He was funding organization, that was maintaining stability and unity of the State. It is a shame that other megacorp CEO's didn't fund it, because it was State-wide organization, not just part of Kaalakiota. It is other megacorp CEO who caused over-expenditure of Kaalakiota resources.

It is time to end this awkward misunderstanding and restore the status quo.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#2 - 2013-07-20 10:07:15 UTC
Oh good, I was wondering when you would unleash yet another entertaining and oh-so-informative interpretation of the case nee rant upon the IGS.

Also, you forgot to include implications that the Federation is responsible for it all, peppered with liberal reference to genocide and Federation-wide holocausts, rivers of blood, miles of hanging gibbets, that sort of thing.

You must be slipping, disappointing, really.

4/10, a rant barely worthy of the name.

Nothing Personal - Just Business...

Chaos Creates Content
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-07-20 10:40:54 UTC
Looks to me Diana makes a sensible case, he was elected. One can not just get rid of an elder for doing what he promised to do when he was put in charge. I am no fan of the Caldari state I'd be more ambivalent if you didn't support the slaver empire as such anything that weakens it is fine by me.
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#4 - 2013-07-20 11:13:40 UTC
I'm glad to see the Idiocracy continues. At the least, I find myself going from frustrated, to laughing. No facts will be presented to counter this... Anyone with a working brain knows them already. And to put it simply Asatru... When something malfunctions so badly that it endangers the entire mechanism, you replace it. If you want to keep a fool in office, that's your business... We got rid of ours.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Erys Charantes
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-07-20 11:27:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Erys Charantes
To be honest, I have to admire loyalty... Even the delusional sort. My condolences, however... There is only one way this will end.

He will be caught, tried, and executed... Or be shot on the spot for resisting the good justice of the State.

I'd imagine this tired old rant will continue past his death, however. Return from the dead prophecies... Illegitimate offspring that don't exist... Martyrdom... It happens all the time on a smaller scale.

Such a shame that a resource of such potential wastes itself like this. That is the most pity I can offer to such a sad, deranged mind that would even consider dismantling the State to suit their own hypocritical, racist, genocidal desires.

To those of you who fight with honor, dignity and decency for your beloved State... I salute you.
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#6 - 2013-07-20 11:45:34 UTC
I must admit, unless he makes some desperate final gambit for control - Which I suppose wouldn't be a tremendous strech of the imagination, considering his prior actions - I'd sort of doubt that he will ever be caught at all. Though he has certainly lost almost everything by comparison, Tibus Heth is still blessed with a considerable amount of extreme cult-of-personalityesque loyalists (Kim-haani being somewhat of an example, though by no means the most terrible), a fair measure of wealth and resources, and, perhaps most importantly, a fairly bland, unremarkable face.

Oh, and his life, of course.

If he has the sense to wish it, there would be little anyone could do to stop him discreetly vanishing forever in some quiet Black Rise backwater. This seems to me to be the most probable end of this affair, as I'm almost certain that he would be equally aware of the likelihood of Kim-haani's suggestion coming to pass as any of us.

Still, as I said, his audacity has surprised me in the past. Perhaps the Gods will favour the peoples bloodlust, and he'll decide to go out with a bang.

...Sadly, even then, bangs don't tend to lead to civil arrests. And at this point, there seems little middle ground.
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#7 - 2013-07-20 12:26:51 UTC
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
I must admit, unless he makes some desperate final gambit for control - Which I suppose wouldn't be a tremendous strech of the imagination, considering his prior actions - I'd sort of doubt that he will ever be caught at all. Though he has certainly lost almost everything by comparison, Tibus Heth is still blessed with a considerable amount of extreme cult-of-personalityesque loyalists (Kim-haani being somewhat of an example, though by no means the most terrible), a fair measure of wealth and resources, and, perhaps most importantly, a fairly bland, unremarkable face.

Oh, and his life, of course.

If he has the sense to wish it, there would be little anyone could do to stop him discreetly vanishing forever in some quiet Black Rise backwater. This seems to me to be the most probable end of this affair, as I'm almost certain that he would be equally aware of the likelihood of Kim-haani's suggestion coming to pass as any of us.

Still, as I said, his audacity has surprised me in the past. Perhaps the Gods will favour the peoples bloodlust, and he'll decide to go out with a bang.

...Sadly, even then, bangs don't tend to lead to civil arrests. And at this point, there seems little middle ground.


Astute, as always, Ikiryo-haani. In the end, it will depend on how badly the Caldari State wants him to be caught... If their desire is great enough, it is simply a matter of time. If not, I will be quite ashamed at what such a lack represents for us all. That said, he will never hold power again over anything or anyone but himself, a state of affairs I think we can all be relieved in.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#8 - 2013-07-20 13:03:05 UTC
Saya Ishikari wrote:
Astute, as always, Ikiryo-haani. In the end, it will depend on how badly the Caldari State wants him to be caught... If their desire is great enough, it is simply a matter of time. If not, I will be quite ashamed at what such a lack represents for us all. That said, he will never hold power again over anything or anyone but himself, a state of affairs I think we can all be relieved in.


Hmm. Well, do keep in mind that the once-executor is rather an old man, Ishikari-haani.

If he wishes to hide - And I mean truly hide, not any half measure where he retains power, influence, or even a bank account, simply throwing himself with all due haste utterly off the map - It might take years to find him. Time may well hang him before we do.

Though this may sound a little callous, personally, I feel that we shouldn't allow him to to cost the State even more time and money then he already did whilst holding his office. If we invest too much "desire" into finding him, as you put it, he simply rules over us in a different fashion; As the clever hare does the fox.

And it's not as though he can ever hope to regain much power, at this point. I would think it best to search for him for a year, at most, and if he cannot be found, simply put the matter to rest.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#9 - 2013-07-20 13:10:46 UTC
Is it not fitting, that the State to which Heth uttered his loyalty, now wants him for treason and terror?
I think that is punishment enough for an old man in his autumn of life.

He has become the threat to the Caldari people, he has become the corrupted leadership selling Caldari military for political gain.
Mr. Heth, may you get to run forever, and forever have to listen to the State in revival.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#10 - 2013-07-20 23:44:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Katran Luftschreck
If he had the sense to just step down when things first started turning sour then he could have walked away with his dignity intact. If he had accepted the loss of the Leviathan, if he had been willing to negotiate for peace, if he had not murdered his own best admiral ... if he had just quit while he was ahead and turned over the reins to someone else they'd be building statues of him.

Instead he chose to fight his own people - now he'll be lucky if he can get buried in secrecy so his grave isn't violated.

Though, to be fair, the CEP should put themselves on trial right alongside Heth for letting him come to power in the first place.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#11 - 2013-07-21 00:20:36 UTC
Well here's the thing. The CEP will most definitely be in the room with Heth during the trial - they'll most likely be the ones preferring charges.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#12 - 2013-07-21 07:41:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Saya Ishikari
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
Saya Ishikari wrote:
Astute, as always, Ikiryo-haani. In the end, it will depend on how badly the Caldari State wants him to be caught... If their desire is great enough, it is simply a matter of time. If not, I will be quite ashamed at what such a lack represents for us all. That said, he will never hold power again over anything or anyone but himself, a state of affairs I think we can all be relieved in.


Hmm. Well, do keep in mind that the once-executor is rather an old man, Ishikari-haani.

If he wishes to hide - And I mean truly hide, not any half measure where he retains power, influence, or even a bank account, simply throwing himself with all due haste utterly off the map - It might take years to find him. Time may well hang him before we do.

Though this may sound a little callous, personally, I feel that we shouldn't allow him to to cost the State even more time and money then he already did whilst holding his office. If we invest too much "desire" into finding him, as you put it, he simply rules over us in a different fashion; As the clever hare does the fox.

And it's not as though he can ever hope to regain much power, at this point. I would think it best to search for him for a year, at most, and if he cannot be found, simply put the matter to rest.


It's not callous, it's your opinion, and one that I respect. I think, though, that its not cost or time that defines what is happening now... What it is, is finishing what was started. It's something the Caldari need to see through.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-07-22 16:20:33 UTC
Well, interesting conversation. Despite trying to argue, enemies of the State simply spit some bile.
But it is a good thing anyway. We can see, who wants to see strong united State, and we can see those scum, who would prefer to see the State in ruins.
Too bad, that this scum stains the glorious name of our War Academy. I hope she will leave soon to some sort of outlaw corporation and will die somewhere in nullsec like other dissidents.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#14 - 2013-07-22 18:10:43 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Despite trying to argue, enemies of the State simply spit some bile.


You broke my irony-o-meter.

Quote:
I hope she will leave soon to some sort of outlaw corporation and will die somewhere in nullsec like other dissidents.


Like the Templis Dragonaurs for instance?

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Steffanie Saissore
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#15 - 2013-07-22 18:31:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Steffanie Saissore
Diana Kim wrote:
Well, interesting conversation. Despite trying to argue, enemies of the State simply spit some bile.
But it is a good thing anyway. We can see, who wants to see strong united State, and we can see those scum, who would prefer to see the State in ruins.


This coming from someone firing upon loyal State forces twice.

You are a disgrace to your State and the soldiers who fight and those who have died to protect the it.

We travel in the dark of the new moon,

A starry highway traced on the map of the sky
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#16 - 2013-07-22 18:50:11 UTC
Diana Kim can no longer be considered to be truly Caldari. Her views and opinions, her actions... None of them are representative of how a true Son or Daughter of the State would express themselves or act.

She should have had the courage of her convictions and joined the Templis Dragonaurs. That way she could have shot at all the corporate citizens who acted to throw Heth down from his pedestal and take back the State so that it can be run according to the traditions of our ancestors.

At least then she would be true to her heart and would have remained relevant - even if only as a score for a bounty hunter. This pretending to be loyal whilst attacking loyal citizens of the State (both verbally and physically) simply makes her an increasingly irrelevant pirate who happens to be wrapped in the banner of an organisation that would spit her out if it had the chance.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-07-22 20:18:38 UTC
Steffanie Saissore wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Well, interesting conversation. Despite trying to argue, enemies of the State simply spit some bile.
But it is a good thing anyway. We can see, who wants to see strong united State, and we can see those scum, who would prefer to see the State in ruins.


This coming from someone firing upon loyal State forces twice.

You are a disgrace to your State and the soldiers who fight and those who have died to protect the it.

Yes, we just killed two "State" proteus-class ships.
But you, gallentean filth, neither want, nor able to understand Caldari way.
There will come the day, when our troops will stamp on ruins of your burning homes! The Federation will pay for all the crimes! And then, maybe, you will understand, how we deal with enemies like you:
WITH FIRE AND STEEL!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-07-22 20:25:45 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Diana Kim can no longer be considered to be truly Caldari. Her views and opinions, her actions... None of them are representative of how a true Son or Daughter of the State would express themselves or act.

She should have had the courage of her convictions and joined the Templis Dragonaurs. That way she could have shot at all the corporate citizens who acted to throw Heth down from his pedestal and take back the State so that it can be run according to the traditions of our ancestors.

At least then she would be true to her heart and would have remained relevant - even if only as a score for a bounty hunter. This pretending to be loyal whilst attacking loyal citizens of the State (both verbally and physically) simply makes her an increasingly irrelevant pirate who happens to be wrapped in the banner of an organisation that would spit her out if it had the chance.

I am Caldari soldier and I am where the State needs me.
I don't think that Dragonaurs are part of the State now, but if the State will need me to join them, I will join. Of course, it will imply someone with real authority in the State will order me to do so, like management of the Protectorate, CEP or CBT, and definitely not some low ranked supporter or traitorous filth and gallentean bootlickers!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Steffanie Saissore
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#19 - 2013-07-22 20:55:49 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

I don't think that Dragonaurs are part of the State now, but if the State will need me to join them, I will join. Of course, it will imply someone with real authority in the State will order me to do so, like management of the Protectorate, CEP or CBT, and definitely not some low ranked supporter or traitorous filth and gallentean bootlickers!


That is rich coming from you, seeing how in several other statements you've decried the lawful authority of the CEP.

Diana Kim wrote:

Yes, we just killed two "State" proteus-class ships.
But you, gallentean filth, neither want, nor able to understand Caldari way.
There will come the day, when our troops will stamp on ruins of your burning homes! The Federation will pay for all the crimes! And then, maybe, you will understand, how we deal with enemies like you:
WITH FIRE AND STEEL!


I would like to think that I am open enough to learn about the ways of the State. The fact that I frequently make berth in New Caldari and have worked in tandem with the Caldari Navy to deal with Guristas pirates and other criminal elements within the State seems to indicate that I have a working understanding and knowledge. I readily admit that I do not know the intricacies of Deteis, Civire, or Aucharn, but at least I am open to learning from them.

It would seem that I am more a friend of the Caldari than you currently are.

You seem incapable of learning anything other than how to shout, boast, brag, and belly-ache. Stop acting like a child. Your inability to adapt and change with the times makes you irrelevant and mostly just annoying.

Your idol didn't care about the State and sure as hell doesn't care about you. He used you as he used everything for his own gain and not for the benefit of Caldari.

But as already pointed out, you've grown stagnant, wallowing in your own vitriol and delusions. Look around you, Kim. Heth betrayed the State and you. I know you aren't an ignorant fool nor are you an idiot so stop your insolence and childish tantrums, own up to what you've done instead of trying to justify yourself with arguments where the logic is so full of holes that a Titan can fly through it. Stop lying to yourself.

Personally, I could care less if you want to see Gallente burn. If you hate us that much, why are you spending all of your time and energy attacking lawful Caldari forces? Seems to me you are simply covering your hatred for your own people under the guise of racist declarations of genocide against Gallente.

We travel in the dark of the new moon,

A starry highway traced on the map of the sky
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-07-22 22:03:12 UTC
Steffanie Saissore wrote:

That is rich coming from you, seeing how in several other statements you've decried the lawful authority of the CEP.

I already told you, gallentean, to stay away from what you can't understand.
The Protectorate currently takes orders from the CEP, and thus I follow orders of CEP.

Steffanie Saissore wrote:

I would like to think that I am open enough to learn about the ways of the State.

You have just shown that you don't.

Steffanie Saissore wrote:

The fact that I frequently make berth in New Caldari and have worked in tandem with the Caldari Navy to deal with Guristas pirates and other criminal elements within the State seems to indicate that I have a working understanding and knowledge. I readily admit that I do not know the intricacies of Deteis, Civire, or Aucharn, but at least I am open to learning from them.

The State indeed pays generously, even to such useless piece of junk like gallenteans. I hope it will be changed soon.

Steffanie Saissore wrote:

It would seem that I am more a friend of the Caldari than you currently are.

You seem incapable of learning anything other than how to shout, boast, brag, and belly-ache. Stop acting like a child. Your inability to adapt and change with the times makes you irrelevant and mostly just annoying.

Looks like you know about me less than about that Jovian officer, who killed most of Amarrian fleet in Vak'Atioth. But meh, you are a gallentean, your people can't live without making such stupid assumptions like that.

Steffanie Saissore wrote:

Personally, I could care less if you want to see Gallente burn. If you hate us that much, why are you spending all of your time and energy attacking lawful Caldari forces? Seems to me you are simply covering your hatred for your own people under the guise of racist declarations of genocide against Gallente.

Oh, I see this gallentean is so stuck in delusions that is blind to real facts.
Yea, right, close eyes that I am spending all my time to killing your kin, maybe I would be able to sneak behind you unnoticed to deal the finishing blow.

And, I don't know where did you took the idea, that I was attacking "lawful" Caldari forces. Indeed, I was engaged in attacks against Caldari forces, but they weren't completely "lawful". I guess you didn't read what I wrote previously. Maybe you will do it before writing anything again, or otherwise you are just proving to me, that I am talking to a wall, and it would be easier just to shoot at you than to talk with peoples like you, eh?
All these so-called "Caldari" forces, that I have been shooting at, properly deserved it.
It is my duty, to fight enemies of the State, both foreign and domestic.

But I don't know why I am telling this to you, most probably you simply can't understand this, because you are gallentean. Meh, sometimes I simply do believe in peoples too much...

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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