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Maximillian German
Task Force Coalition
#21 - 2013-07-11 18:52:17 UTC
She pretends to be legit. First time you put a small amount in to test the water, she returns it. Then, when you get confident, she keeps it. Simple. Has some people(alts methinks) who claim that she is legit. Uses the rules in her bio to write off people who complain. Following her rules doesn't matter if you put enough in. And invariably people do.
Verunae Caseti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2013-07-11 18:58:22 UTC
Maximillian German wrote:
She pretends to be legit. First time you put a small amount in to test the water, she returns it. Then, when you get confident, she keeps it. Simple. Has some people(alts methinks) who claim that she is legit. Uses the rules in her bio to write off people who complain. Following her rules doesn't matter if you put enough in. And invariably people do.


Oh, so it's just the same scam as every other idiot? Jeez, that's boring. Was hoping for something clever.
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-07-11 19:02:27 UTC
OP probably runs a margin trading scam or fell for one.
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Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#24 - 2013-07-11 19:40:26 UTC
Scams? I pay into isk doubters just so they can continue to apply their trade. Eve with out scams is not eve at all. It's goons.

[u]Can't wait untill when Eve online is Freemium.[/u] WiS only 10$, SP booster for one month 15$, DPS Boost 2$, EHP Boost 2$ Real money trading hub! Cosmeitic ship skins 15$ --> If you don't [u]pay **[/u]for a product, you ARE the [u]**product[/u].

duglas Luven
Hell Forge Industries
#25 - 2013-07-22 09:30:50 UTC
Verunae Caseti wrote:
Quote:
Eve's only truly honest isk doubling business! Don't waste time with scammers and their bs! This is not charity but a business that is funded by those who cannot follow these simple rules, so I rarely have to dip into my own reserves. I make my isk from those that fail to read rules here, that is what separates me from the scammers.

Rules:

Send me 50M-500M, get 2x back.

Send 600M to 1 Billion get 3x back.
Invest 3-5 Billion and get 5x back!

over 50 BILLION liquid isk, over 250 billion in assets, so your amounts can be easily covered. However, I do limit 3 investments per player. This is necessary to keep business afloat. Each investment must be at least 2x what you received just prior. Toons must be >4 weeks old.

Rules are straight-forward. Amounts not listed are donations.


So some kind of pedantic semantic song and dance, I guess?

Can anyone explain what "her" scam is, exactly?


Pretend for a moment it is an honest deal. Just send 5 billion 1 time and be done with it. It's set up so that is the most you can get from it.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#26 - 2013-07-22 10:22:12 UTC
Who exactly doesn't know that Erotica is a scammer? I thought that was known to everyone by now.

I personally don't like scamming, but i appreciate it is something that makes EVE unique and without it EVE would have lost something special. I do however think that the spamming that goes alongside it is ludicrous. Any trade hub locals windows are pointless to read because of all the spam, and its too time consuming to mute everyone. I think that in a trade hub you should have to pay a CSPA charge to speak, which increases as you continue to post in a short time.

I also think many scammers are breaking the EULA, since you are not allowed to reroll a character to avoid consequences (so like you cant reroll a ganker to regain sec status). but a lot of scammers reroll all the time.

TLDR: scamming makes eve unique, spamming however is bad and should be looked into.

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Whitehound
#27 - 2013-07-22 10:35:03 UTC
TL;DR: All ISKs from scams go into charity.

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duglas Luven
Hell Forge Industries
#28 - 2013-07-22 11:00:09 UTC
When it comes to scams I just don't get involved. People wanta scam, I say go for it. I even get a kick out of reading them.
symolan
BamBam Inc.
#29 - 2013-07-22 11:00:18 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:

I don't care for scammers. That's why I created an honest game of isk doubling.


Truly honest people don't need to continually proclaim their honesty.



I'm just throwing my 2 isk into the conversation.


here are another 2 ISK. Can you double it please?
Jorden Ishonen
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-07-22 11:04:53 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Who exactly doesn't know that Erotica is a scammer? I thought that was known to everyone by now.

I personally don't like scamming, but i appreciate it is something that makes EVE unique and without it EVE would have lost something special. I do however think that the spamming that goes alongside it is ludicrous. Any trade hub locals windows are pointless to read because of all the spam, and its too time consuming to mute everyone. I think that in a trade hub you should have to pay a CSPA charge to speak, which increases as you continue to post in a short time.

I also think many scammers are breaking the EULA, since you are not allowed to reroll a character to avoid consequences (so like you cant reroll a ganker to regain sec status). but a lot of scammers reroll all the time.

TLDR: scamming makes eve unique, spamming however is bad and should be looked into.


Spamming is something you get in any MMO where a lot of players are gather, independent of the ability to scam or not.

And you can't reroll a character to mitigate *game mechanics*. It's a subtle difference, but rerolling a character that's outed as a scammer/corp thief/whatever is not the same as ditching your ingame sec status.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#31 - 2013-07-22 11:05:44 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Who exactly doesn't know that Erotica is a scammer? I thought that was known to everyone by now.

No, I was in her bonus room this morning attending her 100th lucky bonus room winner. All her friends were there and we sang songs and celebrated. It was really fun.

Oh god.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#32 - 2013-07-22 12:18:31 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Well, this shows some players are very "sensitive" about this subject, and don't want a sacred cow to be changed.

Scamming as a mechanic is a fools errand, because in the end it will be tweaked. Anything that can affect the bottom line of a game is on notice it can be changed, and sometimes even overnight.

And scamming devs to keep scamming alive is a sure method to get their attention (which is why it's often advised to not talk about certain subjects, unless you do want scamming to end, then...carry on!).



Woah, Deja Vu

Feel like providing any semblance of evidence to support your claim that Scamming hurts this game's bottom line? Or that scamming is a "mechanic" that will be tweaked?

Or is this like all your other posts; outlandish claims with no support?

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#33 - 2013-07-22 12:34:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
RubyPorto wrote:

Woah, Deja Vu

Feel like providing any semblance of evidence to support your claim that Scamming hurts this game's bottom line? Or that scamming is a "mechanic" that will be tweaked?

Or is this like all your other posts; outlandish claims with no support?

Any evidence presented will be about WoW, and how the dearth of scams in it is one of the reasons that it is the MMO to end all MMOs.

Ace will totally ignore the fact that the major "mechanic" in scamming is the victims greed.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#34 - 2013-07-22 12:41:45 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Verunae Caseti wrote:

So some kind of pedantic semantic song and dance, I guess?

Can anyone explain what "her" scam is, exactly?


I'm sure someone can, yes.


It's not a scam. I am one of her happy customers.

If you can read, you should be able to win. Otherwise you're basically donating to future winners.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#35 - 2013-07-22 21:49:41 UTC
Im quitting this ****** game of scammers. Take all my ISK for one trit.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-07-22 22:00:22 UTC
Jimmies all over this place.


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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#37 - 2013-07-22 22:02:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Unsuccessful At Everything
I once scammed myself to prove I want myself.




Edit: That was supposed to be WASNT, but upon further review...im keeping the post the way it is.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#38 - 2013-07-22 22:13:47 UTC
Miilla wrote:
I got scammed once, then I got my money back, plus a few trillion.

Yes, it's all about you again isn't it? I bet in RL you get beat up alot...at least I hope so...

Everyone is always repeating the mantra "Don't Trust Anyone" ad nauseum... If I can't trust the guys I play with, why bother playing with them at all? Fly Solo...
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#39 - 2013-07-22 23:17:35 UTC

I like how this thread starts out about something else, and when my name comes up there is all sorts of controversy. Notice that everyone who has negative things to say about me is simply guessing and has no personal experience, while others vouch for me out of experience.

If I was a scammer, do you really think there would be so much argument? Instead what you see here is essentially a jury of peers. Some know I'm legit and say so. Others have this idea ingrained in their heads that everyone is a scammer, so they project that prejudice.

I challenge everyone to approach me with an open mind.

If you can read and follow simple rules in my bio you can win big. If you are the type that gets excited and throws rules out the window, well, I encourage you to play too. Without rule-breakers, I would not be able to keep running this successful business.

Thanks.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Jon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
#40 - 2013-07-22 23:26:14 UTC
To be fair, the greatest scammer of all, Somer, has preyed upon literally thousands of EVE players who are ignorant about math/probability and/or have some kind of mental disorder where giving their money away to an e-rich dude gives them pleasure.
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