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Active Shield/Armor tanking
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Che Galtor
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-07-22 21:52:04 UTC
Hey guys,

After getting hooked to EVE (damn you CCPAttention) i'm almost done with the SoE arc now and made myself some money and got a Thorax. I was lucky i gues and got myself a nice shield extender (effectively doubling my shield) and a other passive shield regen stuff.
Although i got me through a couple fights without to much pain, it got me wondering to move towards a more active based kind of tanking. I currently kite a lot, but still..

If i now fit a Medium Shield Booster 1, in the fitting's window i see my Capacitor on minus a lot and it will deplete in 1:12 mins.
However, if i undock.. my capacitor still recharges. Does this mean that the time for my Capacitor to deplete only count for when the Shield Booster is active?
If so, then i'd figure the same goes for Armor repair units, right?

Thanks a lot! Smile
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-07-22 21:57:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
Correct.

I can't quite tell, but just in case...
DO NOT DUAL TANK!

Armour tank or shield tank, not both. Both is a waste of slots, waste of cap, waste of time.
If you are shield tanking (shield booster or shield extender, shield hardeners) then armour is your buffer to get the hell out.
If you're armour tanking (armour hardeners, energised membranes, armour repairers or plates) then your shields are a pretty red line across the top of your HUD.

With the exception of some very specific situations, you should never have both shield tanking modules and armour tanking modules fitted.

Gallente ships are more typically armour tanked, some have armour tanking bonuses, most have more low slots than medium. This isn't to say they can't be shield tanked, many can, but armour is more traditional and probably easier to start.
Che Galtor
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-07-22 22:06:55 UTC
Thanks for the fast response.

Thanks for the heads up, but i was aware to either Shield OR armor tank.
It just happens that i have a mix of equipment, but i am Shield Tanking based atm (as far as i can speak about tanking, hehe)
I'd go armor tank if i had the gear, just working my way up atm :)
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-07-22 22:33:19 UTC
Che Galtor wrote:
I'd go armor tank if i had the gear, just working my way up atm :)


Buy it. Sell the stuff you loot off NPCs and buy what you need. It's pretty rare that you get as loot drops the exact stuff that you need.
Che Galtor
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-07-22 22:53:45 UTC
true that...
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-07-22 23:00:11 UTC
1. You are not kiting in a thorax. I use the shield fit thorax from time to time and it is an aggressive, in-your-face sort of fit.

2. Check Battle Clinic and other like sites for good fitting ideas. Keep in mind that BC itself is a mountain of crap that one must dig through for the little gold nuggets.

3. Use a fitting tool like EFT or pyfa to see what sort of fits your skills will allow before going to the market with all that hard-earned ISK.

4. Medium shield mods go on frigs. Use the large ones for cruisers.
Che Galtor
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-07-23 07:04:45 UTC
Thanks for the tips Praxis!
I'm at work now, but i'm sure to have a look when i have the time Big smile

PS: Just want to mention the great Community, been a long long time since i've seen one like this. Props to you all!
Snaggletooth Slackjaw
Banana Moon Industries
#8 - 2013-07-23 09:05:17 UTC
The depletion time shown for your capacitor shown on the fitting window is for if you are running ALL your active modules at the same time.

So in practise, it will often take a little longer then that time to deplete.

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-07-23 09:26:31 UTC
Not sure why nobody has mentioned this yet but:

don't use buffer tank and active tank (there are very few situations where you will want to, but none you will be facing with a thorax).

Buffer tank means adding hitpoints to your ship via extenders and resistance modules

Active tank means using boosters and repairers to regenerate hitpoints over time.

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Zoe Allende
Gardes Feydakin
#10 - 2013-07-23 10:48:31 UTC
Also note that as shield boosters drain a gigantic amount of capacitor, in PvE situations it is much less common to see active shield perma-tanks ("perma" as in cap stable) than active armour perma-tanks. People usually either pulse (a.k.a. micro-manage, you don't let it run forever as you usually do with armour reps) the shield booster when it is needed or fit a smaller booster size and more resistance modules.
Sir Clik
Black Bull Inc.
#11 - 2013-07-23 11:27:47 UTC
Your fit will be to a great extent driven by the situation and purpose. Pve would tend to favour different fits than what pvp would. When I do pve on low sp char I tend to favour range and speed, using shield buffer and resists plus propulsion in the mids, leaving lows for range and damage mods (could even consider some speed ones). This also greatly depends on ships you fly and the style you like. Experimenting has done wonders for me early on.

Good luck!
Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#12 - 2013-07-23 13:43:31 UTC
Better yet, for fittings, find corporations that have some renown, find their killboard and copy the crap out of their fits.

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