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Ytterbium, Tallest: I think you should really, really watch this video of a Tornado killing everything from Battleships to T3 cruisers to interceptors to medium ecm drones. Something is very wrong here.

Idea!

ROLE- Heavy Destroyer- Tier3 Battlecruiser- Crazy DPS and Glass Tank


First decide whether the role of this ship should be long range or short range, whichever will go for all 4 races as all races have a long and short range weapon alternative.-

>Long Range gets Uber bonus/s for Weapon Range, thats it! (let them shoot from +/- 150km)

>Short Range gets Uber bonus/s for Ship Speed, thats it! (let them go +/- 1500m/s)

Heavy Destroyers should NOT be able to effectively hit anything smaller than a standard BC or be able to Solo PvP and must all be penalized to reflect this.

They can easily be destroyed by small ships. I'd go as far as saying that they should have standard BC signature but Cruiser size Tank.

H/M/L
Armor Tank Race Layout- 8/2/6
Shield Tank Race Layout- 8/6/2

Ship Attributes should reflect race weapons, ie: Extra cap for cap munching weapons or extra m/3 for cargohold for those weapons that use bulky ammo!


The fact is that most pilots won't have a use for these ships, its a shame but then these Ships would all have to have an 8/6/6 layout and put alot of other ships out of commision.

Please don't try to compare these to any other ships, they have a role and are not standard!

Thats the only answer I can see without making them just another regular PvP ship, we have enough of them already!

Thx

I have to congratulate with Will Adama for the excellent taste in music... Ayreon? Way to go! :D

I've been thinking; since passive tanking has grown popular enough to become the norm, not many people seem to carry around neuts anymore, at least not in my experience. If this has come to be the case, active tanking may see something of a small comeback in the near future. At it's core combat in EVE is just like combat in any other game: understanding and beating the current meta-game.

Perhaps I was a bit harsh to claim that any and all Moa pilots have a poor grasp of combat. We all know that the SP amount, skill focus, and pilot skill are all far more important than ship choice, but I don't think anyone would argue that the Moa and Deimos aren't weak ships that typically preform below what most people would consider "good." They have weapon systems that preform poorly in comparison to others as well as having statlines a good bit below those seen on other races' ships.

In order to be viable the Naga needs a RoF and Explosion Velocity bonus for Torps and Cruises...period.

1. Torps suck without painters/explosion velocity bonuses

2. The Raven sucks for pvp

3. Cruise missles suck for PvP

4. The Rokh sucks for PvP

The only large caldari system that doesn't completely suck worse than rails on a moa is torpedoes with bonuses. So stop making up stupid reasons for nerfing the Naga, like that it might overshadow two ships that suck for pvp anyway. Focus on making the semi-sucky weapons system that is torpedoes, not sucky by giving the naga some decent fragging bonuses.

Love how this is being avoided. Do you really think CCP will add a ship that will/can replace others?

Balancing isn't just the ships but also the overall ingame effects!

Just like 2 mids is fail on any pvp ship, less than 4 low is fail on any dps and speed ship bigger than a cruiser.



3 lows on the rook is really bad and makes it a nightmare to fit, 4 lows on the sleipnir is really bad when you want to nano it (and it's fun to see that the nighthawk has a better slot layout mid/low wise... probably why it has such a gimped fitting though), 3 lows on a dual weapon ship like the Huginn/Lachesis is ridiculous when you want to do some dps...




So, 3 lows on the Naga which, out of all four t3 BCs, is the slowest, and the one that need to be the closest to apply some real dps (Talos is good enough with rails, Tornado and Oracle with scorch and barrage and TC/TE can hit further than Naga) makes it impossible to nano properly while applying some real damage. And if you don't nano it, you get caught. And because it has the biggest sig of the bunch, most BS will easily track it and melt it.
And don't even think of tracking disruptor, you can't fit them because of the aweful CPU.

Fix the Naga please, subpar dps, lacking weapon systems, and the tank leaves much to be desired compared to other tier 3s.

Naga needs it's exp velocity bonus back(Or you could just boost torp exp velocity, nerf sb exp velocity bonus slightly to comensate, leave it as it is on Golem), no to RoF bonus that'd just be silly OP if you ended up in the right circumstances

If you want it to only have 1 bonus to each(Fix torp exp velocity if that's the case), atleast make the railgun bonus 5% damage x_x and give it back it's 4th low.

Since the Thread gone a bit off topic during the last page, I like to repost some stuff here:

Oracle

The old concept was better. Don't get me wrong, I love pooping blaster hulls with 1200+ DPS during her endless crusade to get into a range they never reach. However this is simply over the top, for a mobile hull like the Oracle. Hitting anti support at 50km isn't so hard anyway. You not going to prevent this in a big fight, and it is rather moot point outside of this for a fleet ship like the Oracle. Give it back it's range + tracking bonus(buff the cap a bit to compensate for the lack of the 2. cap use bonus) and make it a notch faster so you end up with a faster Apoc/long range Harbinger instead of a Abaddon that also can control the engagement range(what makes it extreme powerful) and is fairly cap stable in practical game play.

Naga

I'm still waiting for a change. With torps it is nearly useful, however it still lacks the higher velocity bonus to bump up the range a bit so it can compete with other tier 3 BC short range weapon setups(except the Talos) and a explosion velocity bonus to bring it down to 337.5m. You still have damage reduction by speed and sig for most BCs. BC and BS are the most common fleet ships today for DPS. If you want a torp naga on the field it must be able to project solid damage against them(w/o throwing 1-2 painter, a scram and a web on every target you shoot, it isn't this good dps wise to justify this).

The slot and fitting nerf was uncalled for. I'm still looking for a update on the speed penalty for javelin torpedo's.

Tornado

It is over the top with the the best mix of tank and gank mounted on the fastest hull of the tier3(by quite some margin), if you insist to keep the falloff bonus, reduce the turret count or remove a low slot to bring the overall damage down a notch.

Talos

Add a 5. med(and some fitting to use the slot, overall it is very short on CPU for a shieldtank) and buff the tracking bonus to 10% per level to make it a halve way ok rail ship for medium ranges, that can at least compete against beam fittings w/o the damage bonus or puls setups with scorch(it is to far off with the tracking atm and lacks the 5. med for a reasonable tank).