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Commander Tycho
Cruoris Seraphim
Exalted.
#1 - 2013-07-22 06:44:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Tycho
Looks like David Cameron has decided that kids are being ruined by internet porn (people having sex). Good or bad?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23401076

*edit* didnt know that word was filtered...
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#2 - 2013-07-22 06:50:16 UTC
They blocked the Piratebay for me once.

For a full 6 seconds (I timed it).

Maintain a few VPN's and tunnel them in a web if needbe, I will get my material Evil

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Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
#3 - 2013-07-22 06:55:05 UTC
Porn does not ruin kids. Parents who don't bother to raise their kids right is what ruins them and no amount of internet filtering or other censorship can correct that.

As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#4 - 2013-07-22 06:57:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
The plus point you can opt out, at least you get a choice. On the negative side it's another sign that government doesn't understand the internet and wants to regulate it. ISP filters won't stop any halfway intelligent 10 year old, just as they don't stop UK residents accessing TBP and all of the other sites that are currently blocked.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#5 - 2013-07-22 07:00:56 UTC
I cracked net nanny when I was 12. Can't recall how though, I think I flagged the code as hostile in the antivius suite and quarantined it in a boot up scan.

Growing up it was an arms race between me figuring out how to be private, and school/parents trying to remove that. They thought they won. I got Truecrypt and a hidden partition.

The kids will figure it out, once one does Google will do the rest.

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Commander Tycho
Cruoris Seraphim
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#6 - 2013-07-22 08:05:43 UTC
Seems like the government trying to take on the responsibilities of the parent, and making the innocent suffer. Again.
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#7 - 2013-07-22 08:09:04 UTC
Commander Tycho wrote:
Seems like the government trying to take on the responsibilities of the parent, and making the innocent suffer. Again.

I wonder who could have been behind all of this...

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Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-07-22 08:16:29 UTC
How the web prevents ****
2006

Online Pornography Helping Lower **** Incidents, Study Says
2009

Legalizing Pornography: Lower Sex Crime Rates? Study Carried out in Czech Republic Shows Results Similar to Those in Japan and Denmark
2010


In short, easy access to porn reduces sex crimes. Thus banning it again will increase them. And there will be people who will be unable to access porn because they don't want anyone to know they look at it, thus they won't ask their ISP to turn the filter off.
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-07-22 09:00:07 UTC
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16497122

In short, consumption of online p0rnography is a valid predictor for future compulsive/problematic internet use in adolescents.
I am all for free speech and free internet, but the average age where children come into contact with online p0rn is 11 years nowadays IIRC- but maybe the solution isn't a censored internet but better parenting here.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-07-22 09:13:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Hesod Adee
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16497122

In short, consumption of online p0rnography is a valid predictor for future compulsive/problematic internet use in adolescents.
I am all for free speech and free internet, but the average age where children come into contact with online p0rn is 11 years nowadays IIRC- but maybe the solution isn't a censored internet but better parenting here.


Censorship for everyone is not a solution to bad parents.

I also note that the study only does not call porn consumption the cause of problematic internet use. Only a way to predict if problematic use will occur. Meaning that banning porn will just hide the problem.
Most parents will react to finding out their children view porn, probably in a way that reduces the child's access to the internet. But how many will react in a helpful way to a skinner box F2P MMO ?
Alara IonStorm
#11 - 2013-07-22 09:28:55 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16497122

In short, consumption of online p0rnography is a valid predictor for future compulsive/problematic internet use in adolescents.
I am all for free speech and free internet, but the average age where children come into contact with online p0rn is 11 years nowadays IIRC- but maybe the solution isn't a censored internet but better parenting here.

Are you saying the average age children view sex is right around the age where they learn what it is. Shocking.

New plan, we don't tell them about it until they are 25. Big smile
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-07-22 09:49:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Godsnottlingson
It's nothing but a cheap PR ploy by a government that doesn't actually give a flying f**k, but is trying to look as if it cares for the ordinary joe, and not the mega rich who have been enjoying all of the tax cuts.

It won't help, it won't do anything other then annoy people who are having their right to free speech curtailed further, by a bunch of right wing public school Yah Hoo Henries.

And that's just describing the Labour party! (The supposed left wing socialist gang for non-UK people)
Hedian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-07-22 10:48:15 UTC
This is outrageous!

porn(people having sex) taught me so many things growing up.

Just to name a few

-The hidden perks of being a pizza delivery boy

- what to do if your girlfriends step mom catches you

- how to make love not war
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#14 - 2013-07-22 11:33:22 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16497122

In short, consumption of online p0rnography is a valid predictor for future compulsive/problematic internet use in adolescents.
I am all for free speech and free internet, but the average age where children come into contact with online p0rn is 11 years nowadays IIRC- but maybe the solution isn't a censored internet but better parenting here.

Are you saying the average age children view sex is right around the age where they learn what it is. Shocking.

New plan, we don't tell them about it until they are 25. Big smile


Isn´t that the way how they do it in the Bible Belt?

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#15 - 2013-07-22 15:54:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Max Godsnottlingson wrote:
It's nothing but a cheap PR ploy by a government that doesn't actually give a flying f**k, but is trying to look as if it cares for the ordinary joe, and not the mega rich who have been enjoying all of the tax cuts.

It won't help, it won't do anything other then annoy people who are having their right to free speech curtailed further, by a bunch of right wing public school Yah Hoo Henries.

And that's just describing the Labour party! (The supposed left wing socialist gang for non-UK people)

Labour are slightly to the left of the Conservatives, who are slightly to the left of the BNP, the BNP are about as far right as you can go without donning pillowcases and setting fire to crucifixes.

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Adunh Slavy
#16 - 2013-07-22 16:01:27 UTC
So we can show all kinds of non-consensual violence on TV and the Internet, but can't show the naughty bits of consenting adults.

Let's see, government power is in its ability to force people to do things by means of non-consensual violence and coercion. So government pr0n is ok, you taking it up the wazoo once again.

And we wonder why the planet is so fckd up.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#17 - 2013-07-22 16:02:23 UTC
No, its just an excuse to install filtering hardware into the UK infrastructure for pupular demand.

Then something else down the line will demand tat the IWF have control over filters.

Then that the IWF are deputied to Westminster.

Then we have hardware filtering at the backbone level of the system, with Westminster deciding what goes in or not. Say there's a terrorist attack, shut down everything. Or some sort of protest.....

Long story short, Zimmerman had it right with PGP.

Building my own email server and BBS board at the moment with 4096 bit encryption, and looking at printing business cards with QR codes with the public key. Might be able to turn it into a business model, a pity I don't have the resources to build a subscription model anonymised search engine, I think there's a market for this in Europe.

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#18 - 2013-07-22 16:14:31 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16497122

In short, consumption of online p0rnography is a valid predictor for future compulsive/problematic internet use in adolescents.
I am all for free speech and free internet, but the average age where children come into contact with online p0rn is 11 years nowadays IIRC- but maybe the solution isn't a censored internet but better parenting here.

True. But in the U.S. at least, they start encountering suggestive porn/soft-core porn at age 0, via TV commercials. Some network hyping it's new drama series-- complete with scenes of orgasmic groping, grappling and tonguing. Or violence porn, with a scene of the detective protagonist bashing a suspect with a chair. You can be watching something family-appropriate, like Sunday afternoon football, baseball or NASCAR, and the next thing you know your preschool kid just saw some pretty disturbing or mature content. I wouldn't mind some censorship or standards on that.

It's complete hypocrisy-- there was that uproar over Janet Jackson's 'wardrobe malfunction' during the Super Bowl. Innocent kids were watching. But throughout the year the networks played titillating* commercials showing much worse.

*See what I did there? Smile
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#19 - 2013-07-22 17:31:07 UTC
Seems relevant, although slightly offtopic.

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Mr Pragmatic
#20 - 2013-07-22 17:50:27 UTC
I once was a chronic teen age masterbater. I came out fine....lol.

I didn't blow anything in my life. I spanked school pretty hard.

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