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seth Hendar
I love you miners
#361 - 2013-07-22 15:20:04 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Actually I would be quite content for CCP to remove NPC rats as a source of income. There's easily enough liquidity in the economy without constantly injecting more. At this stage we mostly need ISK fountains because we have ISK sinks.

you suggest to remove an isk foutain, because actually, we really need isk foutains?????


either you made a mistake in your comment, or you wnated to say that we need to REMOVE isk fountain, or add isk sinks
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#362 - 2013-07-22 15:23:13 UTC
seth Hendar wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Actually I would be quite content for CCP to remove NPC rats as a source of income. There's easily enough liquidity in the economy without constantly injecting more. At this stage we mostly need ISK fountains because we have ISK sinks.

you suggest to remove an isk foutain, because actually, we really need isk foutains?????


either you made a mistake in your comment, or you wnated to say that we need to REMOVE isk fountain, or add isk sinks


Or, the third option. You misunderstand completely.

His meaning, at least as I take it, is that the only justification for isk fountains is because isk sinks exist.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#363 - 2013-07-22 15:36:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Dear baltec1, in-game friends of mine (in one of the larger alliances) tell me that they can safely rat etc in null as they have look-outs posted to watch for any unknown ships up to several jumps away.

Not so risky is it?

Cloaked ship in your system? No problem dock up, and hi-sec folk are risk averse!

Always remember, that for the newer players in particular, level 4 missions are really quite hard to do.

To put it bluntly, don't like the hi-sec playground, stay out of it.

No one forced you to go to null, that was your decision.

Live with the consequences.


Sure, but docking up when some neutral enters local means you have to relocate or continue your ratting later. In essence, you are out of commission while you relocate your PvE assets elsewhere - and for most ratters, that means moving the ships in a carrier because it's a lot ******* easier than scouting the route and using gates and jump bridges in a ship that will die to a stray falcon and sabre. Or, of course, you're out of commission until you can continue ratting without the threat of getting dropped by a blackops gang that you have zero chance of defending against.

In comparison, the only risk you face in highsec is a suicide gank. And that isn't going to happen when you're in the middle of a gang with a ton of DPS and logistics plus incursion rats. You could argue that you risk getting ganked while moving a shiny ship between incursion stagings, but that won't be a problem if you move your shiny gear with an alt. In a mission site, the ganker has to probe you out, scan your ship if they haven't already, and have a gankfleet in place to blow you up, considering that hotdrops also don't exist in the themepark area.

Also, if you think L4 missions are "hard", you clearly haven't done anything besides missions.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#364 - 2013-07-22 15:46:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


No, you are saying I have no experience outside of drone region, which is laughable, I have operated in about 10 different regions, but I admit to only really doing 10/10's in significant numbers in the drone regions, so you have me there. And looking back at the drops I got between 600m to 1.2bn in value so I revise that down from my earlier figure, I know that the drops in other regions are better, BPC's of certain factions ships for one.

You look at the absolute top earners in Incursions as an example, most people I know even those with good links in serious incrusion running entities spend a lot of time waiting to get in fleets and there is so so many that can run incursions depending on the number active in HS. So the value I was talking about was 28m per tick (14m per toon) using a Nighthawk and a Oracle doing Drone Hordes, hardly risky.

As for being dangerous doing 10/10's, hardly, only spawns when you get there, and can only be scanned down with you in it, if you are taking a risk in those then you are doing it wrong.


So you can't see the problem with relying on second hand information? I'm telling you that what you think is plainly wrong when you keep saying things like "i know the loot drops are better in other regions".

How many Blood Raider Naval Shipyards, have you done? Centus Assembly? The Maze?. Null and low sec cosmos etc etc. Have you ever dual or triple boxed in incursions? How about lvl 5 missions?

You simply don't know enough about PVE to even begin to form an opinion, yet here you are.


Well I did some other 10/10's in other regions as part of alliance fleets and each and every one of them dropped BPC's of certain very expensive BS's. About 4 Blood Raider Naval Shipyards to your direct question and all had great drops. So not so much second hand as incomplete, I did a couple of lower level Serpentis escalations which were pretty nice in terms of ISK. But I cannot in all honesty say that I have a full picture of what drops from them, I am going from the Drone ones and the excellent drops on the few Blood Raiders and Sansha ones I did as a fleet.

I have single boxed in Incursions, but dual boxing should be doable as DPS, single boxing in Incursions gives you the knowledge to be able to assess it, saying that unless I have dual boxed Incursions makes me unable to talk abou just how good an income I got from Hordes and escalations seems a bit nonsensical. Level 5 missions I have never done, mainly because I view low sec as much more dangerous than 0.0.

Now back to the main point, incursions corps get war decs, you get people getting into fleets and not repping, you get people going in and ganking ships. To say there is no risk is incorrect., there are other people trying to run the sites and sometimes you contest. So how much time do you spend waituing around for Incursions, last time I was in an Incursion fleet we made 80m per toon per hour and that was because there was a lot of people competing for them.

You chaps paint a picture of the perfect incursion and say that is better than 0.0, so if you are dual boxing or triple boxing at 100m an hour per toon then yes, you are getting a very high income above 0.0, but the majority of people don't get that, and I wonder just how efficient that third toon is unless you use that software that runs multiple toons. Its not about the perfect, its about what the majority can do.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#365 - 2013-07-22 15:54:35 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


You chaps paint a picture of the perfect incursion and say that is better than 0.0, so if you are dual boxing or triple boxing at 100m an hour per toon then yes, you are getting a very high income above 0.0, but the majority of people don't get that, and I wonder just how efficient that third toon is unless you use that software that runs multiple toons. Its not about the perfect, its about what the majority can do.


Which is why I point out missions vs anoms/belt ratting.

The average person will be earning around the same in high sec as null so why would we both taking on the bigger risk for no reward?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#366 - 2013-07-22 15:54:52 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


No, you are saying I have no experience outside of drone region, which is laughable, I have operated in about 10 different regions, but I admit to only really doing 10/10's in significant numbers in the drone regions, so you have me there. And looking back at the drops I got between 600m to 1.2bn in value so I revise that down from my earlier figure, I know that the drops in other regions are better, BPC's of certain factions ships for one.

You look at the absolute top earners in Incursions as an example, most people I know even those with good links in serious incrusion running entities spend a lot of time waiting to get in fleets and there is so so many that can run incursions depending on the number active in HS. So the value I was talking about was 28m per tick (14m per toon) using a Nighthawk and a Oracle doing Drone Hordes, hardly risky.

As for being dangerous doing 10/10's, hardly, only spawns when you get there, and can only be scanned down with you in it, if you are taking a risk in those then you are doing it wrong.


So you can't see the problem with relying on second hand information? I'm telling you that what you think is plainly wrong when you keep saying things like "i know the loot drops are better in other regions".

How many Blood Raider Naval Shipyards, have you done? Centus Assembly? The Maze?. Null and low sec cosmos etc etc. Have you ever dual or triple boxed in incursions? How about lvl 5 missions?

You simply don't know enough about PVE to even begin to form an opinion, yet here you are.


Well I did some other 10/10's in other regions as part of alliance fleets and each and every one of them dropped BPC's of certain very expensive BS's. About 4 Blood Raider Naval Shipyards to your direct question and all had great drops. So not so much second hand as incomplete, I did a couple of lower level Serpentis escalations which were pretty nice in terms of ISK. But I cannot in all honesty say that I have a full picture of what drops from them, I am going from the Drone ones and the excellent drops on the few Blood Raiders and Sansha ones I did as a fleet.

I have single boxed in Incursions, but dual boxing should be doable as DPS, single boxing in Incursions gives you the knowledge to be able to assess it, saying that unless I have dual boxed Incursions makes me unable to talk abou just how good an income I got from Hordes and escalations seems a bit nonsensical. Level 5 missions I have never done, mainly because I view low sec as much more dangerous than 0.0.

Now back to the main point, incursions corps get war decs, you get people getting into fleets and not repping, you get people going in and ganking ships. To say there is no risk is incorrect., there are other people trying to run the sites and sometimes you contest. So how much time do you spend waituing around for Incursions, last time I was in an Incursion fleet we made 80m per toon per hour and that was because there was a lot of people competing for them.

You chaps point a picture of the perfect incursion and say that is better than 0.0, so if you are dual boxing or triple boxing at 100m an hour per toon then yes, you are getting a very high income above 0.0, but the majority of people don't get that, and I wonder just how efficient that third toon is unless you use that software that runs multiple toons. Its not about the perfect its about the majority


Ok, now you're just lying. So you're telling me that EVERY.SINGLE. 10 of 10 you've ever done drops loads of expensive loot? Either your memory is faulty or you've got dishonesty trained to 5.

i've done more than 4 BRNS' and other DEDs. I've killed so many NPCs over the years I surely hope Heaven doesn't admit Guristas, Serps, Sanshs or Blood Raiders (I guess they have to let the Angels in lol), because if so screw heaven, i'm taking a left turn at Valhalla. And I've run incursions with no fewer than 12 different communities.

You're too much of a rookie to understand what I/m telling you, but I'll tell you again anyways, you should educate yourself more before commenting, you look foolish posting the way you do.



Josef Djugashvilis
#367 - 2013-07-22 16:06:09 UTC
Andski wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Dear baltec1, in-game friends of mine (in one of the larger alliances) tell me that they can safely rat etc in null as they have look-outs posted to watch for any unknown ships up to several jumps away.

Not so risky is it?

Cloaked ship in your system? No problem dock up, and hi-sec folk are risk averse!

Always remember, that for the newer players in particular, level 4 missions are really quite hard to do.

To put it bluntly, don't like the hi-sec playground, stay out of it.

No one forced you to go to null, that was your decision.

Live with the consequences.


Sure, but docking up when some neutral enters local means you have to relocate or continue your ratting later. In essence, you are out of commission while you relocate your PvE assets elsewhere - and for most ratters, that means moving the ships in a carrier because it's a lot ******* easier than scouting the route and using gates and jump bridges in a ship that will die to a stray falcon and sabre. Or, of course, you're out of commission until you can continue ratting without the threat of getting dropped by a blackops gang that you have zero chance of defending against.

In comparison, the only risk you face in highsec is a suicide gank. And that isn't going to happen when you're in the middle of a gang with a ton of DPS and logistics plus incursion rats. You could argue that you risk getting ganked while moving a shiny ship between incursion stagings, but that won't be a problem if you move your shiny gear with an alt. In a mission site, the ganker has to probe you out, scan your ship if they haven't already, and have a gankfleet in place to blow you up, considering that hotdrops also don't exist in the themepark area.

Also, if you think L4 missions are "hard", you clearly haven't done anything besides missions.



Read the bit where I said, and I quote, "for the newer players in particular"

Baltec1 and his whinging echo andski. Bah!

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#368 - 2013-07-22 16:21:07 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


No, you are saying I have no experience outside of drone region, which is laughable, I have operated in about 10 different regions, but I admit to only really doing 10/10's in significant numbers in the drone regions, so you have me there. And looking back at the drops I got between 600m to 1.2bn in value so I revise that down from my earlier figure, I know that the drops in other regions are better, BPC's of certain factions ships for one.

You look at the absolute top earners in Incursions as an example, most people I know even those with good links in serious incrusion running entities spend a lot of time waiting to get in fleets and there is so so many that can run incursions depending on the number active in HS. So the value I was talking about was 28m per tick (14m per toon) using a Nighthawk and a Oracle doing Drone Hordes, hardly risky.

As for being dangerous doing 10/10's, hardly, only spawns when you get there, and can only be scanned down with you in it, if you are taking a risk in those then you are doing it wrong.


So you can't see the problem with relying on second hand information? I'm telling you that what you think is plainly wrong when you keep saying things like "i know the loot drops are better in other regions".

How many Blood Raider Naval Shipyards, have you done? Centus Assembly? The Maze?. Null and low sec cosmos etc etc. Have you ever dual or triple boxed in incursions? How about lvl 5 missions?

You simply don't know enough about PVE to even begin to form an opinion, yet here you are.


Well I did some other 10/10's in other regions as part of alliance fleets and each and every one of them dropped BPC's of certain very expensive BS's. About 4 Blood Raider Naval Shipyards to your direct question and all had great drops. So not so much second hand as incomplete, I did a couple of lower level Serpentis escalations which were pretty nice in terms of ISK. But I cannot in all honesty say that I have a full picture of what drops from them, I am going from the Drone ones and the excellent drops on the few Blood Raiders and Sansha ones I did as a fleet.

I have single boxed in Incursions, but dual boxing should be doable as DPS, single boxing in Incursions gives you the knowledge to be able to assess it, saying that unless I have dual boxed Incursions makes me unable to talk abou just how good an income I got from Hordes and escalations seems a bit nonsensical. Level 5 missions I have never done, mainly because I view low sec as much more dangerous than 0.0.

Now back to the main point, incursions corps get war decs, you get people getting into fleets and not repping, you get people going in and ganking ships. To say there is no risk is incorrect., there are other people trying to run the sites and sometimes you contest. So how much time do you spend waituing around for Incursions, last time I was in an Incursion fleet we made 80m per toon per hour and that was because there was a lot of people competing for them.

You chaps point a picture of the perfect incursion and say that is better than 0.0, so if you are dual boxing or triple boxing at 100m an hour per toon then yes, you are getting a very high income above 0.0, but the majority of people don't get that, and I wonder just how efficient that third toon is unless you use that software that runs multiple toons. Its not about the perfect its about the majority


Ok, now you're just lying. So you're telling me that EVERY.SINGLE. 10 of 10 you've ever done drops loads of expensive loot? Either your memory is faulty or you've got dishonesty trained to 5.

i've done more than 4 BRNS' and other DEDs. I've killed so many NPCs over the years I surely hope Heaven doesn't admit Guristas, Serps, Sanshs or Blood Raiders (I guess they have to let the Angels in lol), because if so screw heaven, i'm taking a left turn at Valhalla. And I've run incursions with no fewer than 12 different communities.

You're too much of a rookie to understand what I/m telling you, but I'll tell you again anyways, you should educate yourself more before commenting, you look foolish posting the way you do.



I did 4 Blood Raiders 10/10 as part of a fleet at different times and each one of them dropped a nice BS BPC, that was my experience. The Drone ones I did dropped loot worth between 600m to 1.2bn, I got 30 in total as escalations and ran about 20, selling the rest. I was told by a number of people that the drops on other NPC 10/10's were better. So what are the drops in your experience? You have made such a fuss about it but have been unable to express an average drop.

The comments that High Sec gives better ISK than 0.0 is only true for elite Incursion runners like yourself, the majority of people don't run to that degree in HS so your argument is based on a top tier that really earn a huge a mount of ISK, your argument is bull and I call you out on it.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#369 - 2013-07-22 16:39:55 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


I did 4 Blood Raiders 10/10 as part of a fleet at different times and each one of them dropped a nice BS BPC, that was my experience. The Drone ones I did dropped loot worth between 600m to 1.2bn, I got 30 in total as escalations and ran about 20, selling the rest.



So you did a total of 24 10/10s and got at least 600 mil out of each one? That's not even physically possible unless you had lucky that you make lightening striking the same place 30 times in 12 seocnds look like a fluke.

Quote:

I was told by a number of people that the drops on other NPC 10/10's were better.


Can you not see what's wrong with this sentence?

Quote:

So what are the drops in your experience? You have made such a fuss about it but have been unable to express an average drop.


Average is useless. I've made as much as 3 bil from a 10/10, and as little as 150 mil (OPE only drops) + bounties.

Have you ever asked yourself "if 10/10s are this great all the time, why do people sell them for like 100 mil"? I don't think you have.

Quote:

The comments that High Sec gives better ISK than 0.0 is only true for elite Incursion runners like yourself, the majority of people don't run to that degree in HS so your argument is based on a top tier that really earn a huge a mount of ISK, your argument is bull and I call you out on it.



This is incorrect in a number of ways.

Isk generation is better in high sec in many ways. If you fly a cheap enough ship, you can mission 23/7 in a pve fit and not worry about a thing. in null sec you have to either fit for hostilities (as i do) which makes your ship less than optimal OR run every time a neutral comes into system (which I don't d, it chokes off isk making all the time).

With the exception of high sec exploration, high sec pve rewards are guaranteed. You ALWAYS get LP from missions. The only missions in null are all in npc null and most null PVE guys don't have access to them.

I fly with a lot of communities, but even TVP (the community that welcomes all ships) is choked full of Machs, nightmares and other faction ships. When i fly with ISN I'm surrounded by 5 bil isk pve ships.

And as i've said, i've dual boxed machs in both null sec and in high sec incursions with DIN Flotten. The high sec incursion isk is way better. But you don't even have to do that much. The guy Xing up in TVP chat with a maelstrom is making close to the same isk.hr i am flying a mach in null sec.......
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#370 - 2013-07-22 17:08:08 UTC
Quote:
So you did a total of 24 10/10s and got at least 600 mil out of each one? That's not even physically possible unless you had lucky that you make lightening striking the same place 30 times in 12 seocnds look like a fluke.


No kidding. If true (and I know it's a lie, just humor me), then he's used up his luck for the rest of his life.

If this is true, dude, don't smoke, drink or cross the street ever again.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#371 - 2013-07-22 17:26:25 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


I did 4 Blood Raiders 10/10 as part of a fleet at different times and each one of them dropped a nice BS BPC, that was my experience. The Drone ones I did dropped loot worth between 600m to 1.2bn, I got 30 in total as escalations and ran about 20, selling the rest.



So you did a total of 24 10/10s and got at least 600 mil out of each one? That's not even physically possible unless you had lucky that you make lightening striking the same place 30 times in 12 seocnds look like a fluke.

Quote:

I was told by a number of people that the drops on other NPC 10/10's were better.


Can you not see what's wrong with this sentence?

Quote:

So what are the drops in your experience? You have made such a fuss about it but have been unable to express an average drop.


Average is useless. I've made as much as 3 bil from a 10/10, and as little as 150 mil (OPE only drops) + bounties.

Have you ever asked yourself "if 10/10s are this great all the time, why do people sell them for like 100 mil"? I don't think you have.

Quote:

The comments that High Sec gives better ISK than 0.0 is only true for elite Incursion runners like yourself, the majority of people don't run to that degree in HS so your argument is based on a top tier that really earn a huge a mount of ISK, your argument is bull and I call you out on it.



This is incorrect in a number of ways.

Isk generation is better in high sec in many ways. If you fly a cheap enough ship, you can mission 23/7 in a pve fit and not worry about a thing. in null sec you have to either fit for hostilities (as i do) which makes your ship less than optimal OR run every time a neutral comes into system (which I don't d, it chokes off isk making all the time).

With the exception of high sec exploration, high sec pve rewards are guaranteed. You ALWAYS get LP from missions. The only missions in null are all in npc null and most null PVE guys don't have access to them.

I fly with a lot of communities, but even TVP (the community that welcomes all ships) is choked full of Machs, nightmares and other faction ships. When i fly with ISN I'm surrounded by 5 bil isk pve ships.

And as i've said, i've dual boxed machs in both null sec and in high sec incursions with DIN Flotten. The high sec incursion isk is way better. But you don't even have to do that much. The guy Xing up in TVP chat with a maelstrom is making close to the same isk.hr i am flying a mach in null sec.......



I have to go, but that is what I got in terms of the value of items, the comment that the drops are better is likely to be in terms of more useful stuff, so maybe that is the difference between the two, but it makes me think that Cobalt Edge was not so bad after as I see no reason to mistrust what you said on the value of those other regions as I have seen what you posted so trust you as being a sensible and thoughtful player. For my part I have detailed my own experience so if others that ran drone 10/10's in CE could give their views I would appreciate it..

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#372 - 2013-07-22 17:26:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
So you did a total of 24 10/10s and got at least 600 mil out of each one? That's not even physically possible unless you had lucky that you make lightening striking the same place 30 times in 12 seocnds look like a fluke.


No kidding. If true (and I know it's a lie, just humor me), then he's used up his luck for the rest of his life.

If this is true, dude, don't smoke, drink or cross the street ever again.



Dude, I just got an image in my head of a guy doing 24 10/10s in a row, making like 20 bil isk in one afternoon and being so happy he's space-rich he leaves his house to go to the pub and gets hit by a bus because he used up all the luck he's ever have LOL.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#373 - 2013-07-22 17:28:59 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
So you did a total of 24 10/10s and got at least 600 mil out of each one? That's not even physically possible unless you had lucky that you make lightening striking the same place 30 times in 12 seocnds look like a fluke.


No kidding. If true (and I know it's a lie, just humor me), then he's used up his luck for the rest of his life.

If this is true, dude, don't smoke, drink or cross the street ever again.



Dude, I just got an image in my head of a guy doing 24 10/10s in a row, making like 20 bil isk in one afternoon and being so happy he's space-rich he leaves his house to go to the pub and gets hit by a bus because he used up all the luck he's ever have LOL.


And then he has to make it right with Karma before he can enjoy his space riches without danger. His name is Earl.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#374 - 2013-07-22 18:37:06 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:



Read the bit where I said, and I quote, "for the newer players in particular"

Baltec1 and his whinging echo andski. Bah!


You do know that level 4 rats are easier than null rats right?
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#375 - 2013-07-22 18:47:50 UTC
Oh lordy. People are still uppity and all mad that people have contrary opinions.

I should remind and point out that if you haven't noticed that CCP never comments in these types of threads about the subject directly and never take a side. (Although this sentence could be construed as a troll to get them to post to force them to state their real opinion on the matter which would be massively entertaining and cause a poop storm in itself)

This probably means that CCP is being diplomatic which means they aren't throwing hi-sec under the bus anytime soon.

You can whine and moan and mash on the keyboard all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that hi-sec is here to stay and probably won't get any major nerfs to your satisfaction. The fact you have made this thread to 19 pages is sadly hilarious. I can just imagine how frustrated you are to have to keep posting and posting to justify your worldview.

Sure CCP might down the road balance hi-sec and null-sec and make some changes but I don't really think they are going to change the game completely just because you make another thread about it.

You people seriously think that CCP is going to listen to one side in a massively heated debate that must be handled with tact. You can't simply **** a large section of your player base to please another section. You have to please both which means they aren't going to implement all the changes you want. They might implement a small tiny few, but I keep pointing out the exhumer buff happened despite your massive threadnaughts. Why do you think that you threadnaughts now will make a difference?

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#376 - 2013-07-22 18:59:29 UTC
Quote:
They might implement a small tiny few, but I keep pointing out the exhumer buff happened despite your massive threadnaughts


Which is all the more reason to step up, so CCP sees something besides carebear QQ on these forums. An ounce of prevention, after all. Stupidity unchallenged, is stupidity accepted. "We will fight them on the beaches, we will fight them in the trenches! We will fight them in the forums!" Maybe I paraphrased that a little.

Quote:
but I don't really think they are going to change the game completely just because you make another thread about it.


Didn't read the OP, did we? Mischaracterization, minus ten points.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#377 - 2013-07-22 19:04:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Julius Priscus wrote:
Bill Overbeck wrote:
Julius Priscus wrote:
Bill Overbeck wrote:
I don't understand all this hate. Especially when it seems most of sov null sec seems to be high sec but with players as Concord. And it changes hands every once in a while.


when someone can happily make more isk in high sec than null/low sec... something is not right.

I know for a fact one can make a easy 1-3+b isk a week in high sec. yes I know possible to do that in null as well.

imo.. make al combat missions in high sec anti-faction missions. if you want bounties goto low/null sec for it.



Combat missions in high sec are already anti faction. It just depends which faction.



really??? you are talking about killing faction npc's and not "pirate" npc's yeah??

what I man is.. more missions similar to enemies abound etc etc...


No, the other guy is right.

When I went to null sec and had to do pirate missions, I had some -9 standings with them and it was not nice to have to deal with that.

I mean, in the end it does not matter if you have to re-grind Gallente standings or Guristas standings. Yes in hi sec there's faction police but I have roamed for a year with red caldari and amarr with no issue. Just avoid autopiloting the freighter ;P

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#378 - 2013-07-22 19:07:24 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Which is all the more reason to step up, so CCP sees something besides carebear QQ on these forums. An ounce of prevention, after all. Stupidity unchallenged, is stupidity accepted. "We will fight them on the beaches, we will fight them in the trenches! We will fight them in the forums!" Maybe I paraphrased that a little.


Really? The fact you feel so strongly about your posting is somewhat hilarious. The fact you tried to quote Churchill is also quite funny. Apparently the forums are serious business and that every threat to your world view must be commented on.

"Oh lordy! I'm so afraid that CCP is going to listen to the Hi-Sec carebears! I must keep posting even though there is no evidence that it really matters!"

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#379 - 2013-07-22 19:12:20 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Which is all the more reason to step up, so CCP sees something besides carebear QQ on these forums. An ounce of prevention, after all. Stupidity unchallenged, is stupidity accepted. "We will fight them on the beaches, we will fight them in the trenches! We will fight them in the forums!" Maybe I paraphrased that a little.


Really? The fact you feel so strongly about your posting is somewhat hilarious. The fact you tried to quote Churchill is also quite funny. Apparently the forums are serious business and that every threat to your world view must be commented on.

"Oh lordy! I'm so afraid that CCP is going to listen to the Hi-Sec carebears! I must keep posting even though there is no evidence that it really matters!"


And? Why does it offend you so much?

Butthurt. You reek of it. And if all you have left in the chamber is statements like that, I'd just bow out now if I were you.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#380 - 2013-07-22 19:20:51 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
They might implement a small tiny few, but I keep pointing out the exhumer buff happened despite your massive threadnaughts. Why do you think that you threadnaughts now will make a difference?


And they got a horribly unbalanced barge line up.

We all learned lessons. Rather than just troll you, we will now back up what we say with hard facts, when they announce numbers we look into them deeply and test them on paper, when they hit the test servers we test them extensively and at all stages we give our feedback based upon the facts not opinions.

CCP now listen to us because we back up ourselves with real facts and the facts show that high sec offers too much reward due to years in which null was nerfed while high sec was buffed. There is an imbalance that needs to be addressed.