EVE General Discussion

beating the "nerf missions high-sec" drum again baltec1?

- the last time the figures were published by CCP over NPC bounty payouts, the lion's share was null-sec ratting
- removal of meta 0 from mission loot
- changes to mission AI increased the difficulty of these mission, so nerf
- mission payouts are not inflation indexed. in the last two years when anything player produces has doubled in cost, means the poor missioner has been nerfed to tune of 50%.
- gutting of incursions has reduced the demand of LP store faction mods, oh another nerf

lets look at the other side of the coin.

- player returns to eve, and discovers that hi-sec is now "infested with petty spite" (their choice of word)
- he HTFU, takes the null road with a few mil in the wallet
- within a few months; able to afford additional accounts vis plex, purchase a signifcant SP character from the bazaar, and no less than three fully fitted capitals.

please tell us again how null is on par with hi-sec income?!

Typical half informed high sec dweller.



And then Anoms and titans (it was supercaps doing forsaken hubs that created that situation) got multiple nerfed......



You do realize that missions and anoms use the exact same NPCs so a nerf to missions like you suggest abive was a nerf to NULL SEC too right?



Oh gee, incursions, you mean those places in high sec where DEADSPACE fit PIRATE BATTLESHIPS rule? Those things come from null sec and nerfed incursions meant price drops for all those items.

And because there are fewer PVE players in null gathering these items than there are mission runniner in high farming LP, that means that price decreases hit is even harder. Not as much the null mission runners who have LP store, but the null explorers getting deadspace mods took a hit because loot drops in exploration are RANDOM.

In other words, null got hit harder by everything you just mentioned than high sec did.



You're exactly right. "In a few months". While , because of high sec incursions I've had 2 real life friends and one real life friend of a corp mate of mine go from next to no isk to MACHARIEL/VINDICATOR after 3 weeks of high sec incursions. Hell, I used to triple box null sec anoms , then found out there are actual multibox incursion communities so now most of the time I just dual box Machs in DIN fleets and make WAY more isk and get CONCORD LP on top if it all.

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The best way to make ISK is to run the 10/10's and other sites that you get as an escalation in 0.0, you make a lot more ISK doing those then Incursions, they are the single best form of ratting not incursions...

This is a lie. When incursions rewards are subject to the RNG like anomalies and exploration, let me know.

Anoms escalate rarely, spawn faction ships rarely, and anom farming can be disrupted more easily than incursion farming can.

Dual Boxing Machariels in null anoms I can make 150 to 180 mil an hour. Dual boxing those same machs in a DIN incursion fleet is 200-220 mil an hour BEFORE calculating LP. DED 9 and 10/10s is less isk than this per hour because of random drops, sometimes you get nothing but overseers effects and rat bounties.

Why do people persist in this false belief that null is somehow this crazy land of milk and honey.

The best PVE isk is high end wormholes, followed by high sec incursions, and THEN null sec PVE which is tied with low sec level 5s, faction war PVE and high end high sec mission running.

Some Alliances has DED plex markets and you can buy them from people who can't or won't do them themselves. It's very good isk, but still utterly random and the runner is still subject to hostile action.

Actually I would be quite content for CCP to remove NPC rats as a source of income. There's easily enough liquidity in the economy without constantly injecting more. At this stage we mostly need ISK fountains because we have ISK sinks.

The mis-information just keeps coming, when I was in IRC (yes I know) the area was being used fully and I got loads of escalations as did many others. People who could not run them sold them on for between 80m to 120m and it was very healthy. On average I got 3 a week and the drop on the drone ones which is bad compared to other areas was around 800m to 1.5bn. And doing this I was getting 84m per hour just from doing the Drone Hordes, 28m a tick. Drone space is known to be worse than all other areas and I made a ton of ISK.

The key factor is the drops, and the Gurista space is awesome for very expensive drops, from my point of view someone doing this in Gurista space the way I was doing it in Drone space will be so rich its silly...

1st of all, IRC lol.

2nd of all, you're saying you have no actual experience outside some time spent in drone regions and you were getting 3 escalations a week and you know of other people making sik yadda yadda.

No go dual box some incursions , come back here and tell us with a straight face that it wasn't more isk than nullsec.

I've lived in 13 null regions since 2008. I've run every single 10/10 the game has. You simply don't know what you are talking about. It would be wiser to educate yourself before posting.

And what then, do you think?

well, IF the high sec industry was nerfed and the low and null rebalanced, then industry in null would be interesting, and reliying on importing less valuabe than holding industry in null, so the nullsecer would start industry, whatever the path they choose for doing so (do it themselve, recruit corps etc....).

imao, a rebalance is required between the 3 sec area, this doesn't mean BUFF this nerf that, but i think buff and nerf would happen in some very specific places.

the rebalance should be global tho, bounty / mission / industry / mining / exploration (well, it would be required to bring it back first).....