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Improve the Collector's Edition by providing a new experience for veterans
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#21 - 2013-07-22 11:08:10 UTC
I do like that USB Rifter I have to say. How is the EvE store looking lately?

Oh god.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#22 - 2013-07-22 11:09:12 UTC
Mors Magne wrote:
When I did exploration a few years ago
…it was a few years ago. That's not now. And the sites you're thinking of are probably the free-standing anomalies that you can mass-murder in roughly zero seconds in a frigate.

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It looks as if the Collector's Edition will just be for the gullible with too much money and not enough sense.
How so? It's a reasonably full package.
Jack Morrison
Team Liquid crp.
#23 - 2013-07-22 11:22:04 UTC
I do agree that the CE lacks a bit on the content side (especially taking into account the current price tag).
But what i don't get is - you want a machariel with a scanning bonus ? why ?
What i would suggest is (since you already get a golden egg...ehm...pod) is for example cutting the clone cost down to 50%.

Looking for a group to pew with ? Have a chat with me.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-07-22 11:31:19 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Mors Magne wrote:

[quote]It looks as if the Collector's Edition will just be for the gullible with too much money and not enough sense.
How so? It's a reasonably full package.


I do enjoy a full package.

I think many also like the idea of supporting a 10 year of game for the next 10 years and dont see it as a shiny extra fee just to play the game.


Also, Rifter USB hub!

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Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
#25 - 2013-07-22 11:42:13 UTC
Even though battleship-sized exploration sites in high-sec no longer exist (I didn't realise this), I think that a Machariel with a scanning bonus rather than a rapid-fire bonus would go well with the Collector's Edition.

Such a ship would be a collector's item that is worth having.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#26 - 2013-07-22 11:54:17 UTC
Mors Magne wrote:
Such a ship would be a collector's item that is worth having.

Why? It's useless. The only thing it is good for is to keep hold of for a few years and sell for 200bn isk to a collector. Is that what you're really asking for? Basically a giant PLEX with role bonuses? That's what it sounds like.

Oh god.
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#27 - 2013-07-22 12:20:50 UTC
Mors Magne wrote:
A problem with the Collector's Edition is that the Gnosis Battlecruiser...are newbie ships


Confirming all new players should blindly fly the Gnosis. It's got the capacity for practically everything, therefore it's a newbie ship!

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Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#28 - 2013-07-22 12:23:23 UTC
Can't say i support the idea of an exploration battleship, but the general idea of recieving a unique ship that can only be found in the collectors edition (and not simply realised again under a different format at a later date) would certainly go a long way to encourage me to spend cash on it. As it stands, its quite alot of currency for what you actually get.

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-07-22 12:26:41 UTC
Mors Magne wrote:
Uriel (translation of this angel's name: "God is my light" or "leads us to destiny")


Two completely different phrases from one word? Son, only the English language is that warped and you know it.

Dodixie > Hek
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2013-07-22 12:29:22 UTC
i must admit the only real draws for me are the danger game, the book and the gold pod

and possibly the mystery code. it's so mysterious!
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#31 - 2013-07-22 12:30:02 UTC
Mors Magne wrote:
Field Artillery wrote:
but why would you propose another newbie ship if you don't want them?

(+ lol i'm sure it will fit into those plexes the 'veterans in high sec' would use this for xDD)



It's easy to criticize, but it's more difficult to think of better alternatives. What better alternative would you suggest?


It's real easy to criticize as HE wasn't the one making any suggestions. YOU are, so the burden is on you to convince people your idea is sound.

It is not, btw.
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
#32 - 2013-07-22 12:44:15 UTC
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Mors Magne wrote:
A problem with the Collector's Edition is that the Gnosis Battlecruiser...are newbie ships


Confirming all new players should blindly fly the Gnosis. It's got the capacity for practically everything, therefore it's a newbie ship!



No, not for that reason - it's a newbie ship because it's not the best ship for the exploration role (strategic cruisers probably are) and it requires no skill points to pilot. Hence it fits into the category of 'newbie ship'.
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
#33 - 2013-07-22 12:46:54 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
Mors Magne wrote:
Uriel (translation of this angel's name: "God is my light" or "leads us to destiny")


Two completely different phrases from one word? Son, only the English language is that warped and you know it.



This is what the angel Uriel's name means according to WikipediaAttention

It's an appropriate name for a scanning ship.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#34 - 2013-07-22 12:50:05 UTC
Mors Magne wrote:
No, not for that reason - it's a newbie ship because it's not the best ship for the exploration role (strategic cruisers probably are) and it requires no skill points to pilot. Hence it fits into the category of 'newbie ship'.

Eh no. It's better than strategic cruisers because it can actually do exploration in highsec, and newbies will not be able to make good use of it because they don't have the skills and equipment required.
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
#35 - 2013-07-22 12:51:24 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
Can't say i support the idea of an exploration battleship, but the general idea of recieving a unique ship that can only be found in the collectors edition (and not simply realised again under a different format at a later date) would certainly go a long way to encourage me to spend cash on it. As it stands, its quite alot of currency for what you actually get.



Exactly. I imagine a lot of people are thinking the same way.
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
#36 - 2013-07-22 12:54:37 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Mors Magne wrote:
No, not for that reason - it's a newbie ship because it's not the best ship for the exploration role (strategic cruisers probably are) and it requires no skill points to pilot. Hence it fits into the category of 'newbie ship'.

Eh no. It's better than strategic cruisers because it can actually do exploration in highsec, and newbies will not be able to make good use of it because they don't have the skills and equipment required.


The gnosis doesn't require any skill points to fly. If you recall, a strategic cruiser requires quite a bunch of skill points to level 5 to fly.

http://eve.wikia.com/wiki/Gnosis


But I feel we are digressing here...
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#37 - 2013-07-22 12:57:44 UTC
Mors Magne wrote:
The gnosis doesn't require any skill points to fly.
…and if you fly it without any skill points, it does nothing. To use it as an exploration ship, you need to fit it with exploration equipment for which you need exploration skills, and to find anything, you need to get those skills up.

It's a battlecruiser. Battlecruiser are not newbie ships, no matter how few SP you need in order to activate one.
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#38 - 2013-07-22 13:05:52 UTC
I don't think an exploration BS is a good idea. But I do think special items available ingame or otherwise should not be available afterwards or via another release.

" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. " Rick. " Find out what ? " Abraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. " Rick. Season four.   ' The Walking Dead. ' .
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
#39 - 2013-07-22 13:13:18 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Mors Magne wrote:
The gnosis doesn't require any skill points to fly.
…and if you fly it without any skill points, it does nothing. To use it as an exploration ship, you need to fit it with exploration equipment for which you need exploration skills, and to find anything, you need to get those skills up.

It's a battlecruiser. Battlecruiser are not newbie ships, no matter how few SP you need in order to activate one.



The problem here is that there is no precise dictionary definition of "newbie".

But it's a moot point because you can fly the Gnosis (to whatever standard) on your first day playing Eve. Whereas it would take a person a few weeks to get the skills to even sit in a strategic cruiser - and even longer to earn the ISK to buy one (most people anyway).
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
#40 - 2013-07-22 13:16:54 UTC
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:
I don't think an exploration BS is a good idea. But I do think special items available ingame or otherwise should not be available afterwards or via another release.



I entirely agree with you. However, there needs to be a strong reason for parting with 150 Euros in the first place.
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