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Why nerf high sec?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#321 - 2013-07-22 09:51:44 UTC
CanI haveyourstuff wrote:



he secretly wants more ppl to null so he could have more targets to shoot at. It's theonly reason tbh :D

he wont admit it by any means and defends "nerf hisec" statement blindly and not even thinking about what it causes... some random idiot just told him that "oooh if hisec would be dirt poor place then we would have alot more pvp in null"

it's just wrong - wont happen.


We have blown up several trillion isk worth of stuff in the current war. We dont need to nerf high sec to get more targets (who will dock up when we enter system) into null.

This is purely about balance and rewarding people who take risks.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#322 - 2013-07-22 09:54:09 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:


NPC rats do not kill pods - players do.



Now take into account the population difference and people podding themselves.
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#323 - 2013-07-22 09:58:28 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:


NPC rats do not kill pods - players do.



Now take into account the population difference and people podding themselves.


Right...all those people in high sec just self destructed.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#324 - 2013-07-22 10:06:05 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Ginseng Jita wrote:


Right...all those people in high sec just self destructed.


Its one of the main ways of getting around quickly if you don't have access to a jump clone but please, point out where I said all of them.

Also many of the high sec regions you posted infact contain low sec systems and the assorted camps that go along with them on the highsec gates. For example Amamake, Rancer, Tama and Old Man Star are all in the top 10 most deadly systems and generate a lot of dead pods which will be added in with your "high sec" regions pod kills. That is where most of those pod kills are coming from.

In fact Rancer (Sinq Laison Region) is the most deadly system to pods in all of EVE with 43.98% of kills being pods. Sinq Laison is also home to the most dealy system in New Eden, Amamake.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#325 - 2013-07-22 10:17:01 UTC
Hypercake Mix wrote:
The right kind of community to make null thrive doesn't exist here. Maybe the Chinese over on Serenity are doing null better?

I mean... if null is actually fine in theory and we just fail at it in practice, is it really imbalance?

a nullsec system centred around bots and kfc money? no, i'm pretty sure they're not doing it right
CanI haveyourstuff
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#326 - 2013-07-22 10:32:44 UTC  |  Edited by: CanI haveyourstuff
baltec1 wrote:
CanI haveyourstuff wrote:



he secretly wants more ppl to null so he could have more targets to shoot at. It's theonly reason tbh :D

he wont admit it by any means and defends "nerf hisec" statement blindly and not even thinking about what it causes... some random idiot just told him that "oooh if hisec would be dirt poor place then we would have alot more pvp in null"

it's just wrong - wont happen.


We have blown up several trillion isk worth of stuff in the current war. We dont need to nerf high sec to get more targets (who will dock up when we enter system) into null.

This is purely about balance and rewarding people who take risks.


oh okay.. and how do they affect you now again? aint they ones who keep your pvp **** cost down?
it's like wanting to be shot in a leg basically.

Havent you already learned that hisec is risky place also and null is not that much risk as you say?


I cant imagine whats so riskyyyyy oughhhh about null. "im a badass, I blow up trilions worth of stuff and I take huge risks"

what the **** ShockedBig smile
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#327 - 2013-07-22 10:41:26 UTC
CanI haveyourstuff wrote:



Havent you already learned that hisec is risky place also and null is not that much risk as you say?




Where is this high sec risk?

You are more likely to get hit by a car in RL than get ganked in a freighter and the chances of a mission boat being ganked are around the same as an American stands at being struck by lightning.

The records show that null sec is at least 4 times more risky than high sec yet the rewards are around the same. We also know that null income has been nerfed quite hard over the years while high sec has seen no nerfs to it and a good few buffs. This has resulted in the current situation where its just not worth the extra effort and risk.
Josef Djugashvilis
#328 - 2013-07-22 11:46:21 UTC
Dear baltec1, in-game friends of mine (in one of the larger alliances) tell me that they can safely rat etc in null as they have look-outs posted to watch for any unknown ships up to several jumps away.

Not so risky is it?

Cloaked ship in your system? No problem dock up, and hi-sec folk are risk averse!

Always remember, that for the newer players in particular, level 4 missions are really quite hard to do.

To put it bluntly, don't like the hi-sec playground, stay out of it.

No one forced you to go to null, that was your decision.

Live with the consequences.

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Uma D
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#329 - 2013-07-22 11:46:51 UTC
CanI haveyourstuff wrote:


how many exhumers go *pop* per day? have you even bothered to learn about it? hisec is ridiculous isk sink.. while also being so called "risk free isk faucet"



Thank you so much for that statement, which clearly shows you do not understand anything about how eve works.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#330 - 2013-07-22 11:54:07 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Dear baltec1, in-game friends of mine (in one of the larger alliances) tell me that they can safely rat etc in null as they have look-outs posted to watch for any unknown ships up to several jumps away.

Not so risky is it?


If it wasn't risky they wouldn't be docking up every time a neutral entered system would they?
Josef Djugashvilis
#331 - 2013-07-22 11:57:22 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Dear baltec1, in-game friends of mine (in one of the larger alliances) tell me that they can safely rat etc in null as they have look-outs posted to watch for any unknown ships up to several jumps away.

Not so risky is it?


If it wasn't risky they wouldn't be docking up every time a neutral entered system would they?


Sounds like your typical 'risk averse' care-bear type to meSmile

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Uma D
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#332 - 2013-07-22 11:58:35 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Dear baltec1, in-game friends of mine (in one of the larger alliances) tell me that they can safely rat etc in null as they have look-outs posted to watch for any unknown ships up to several jumps away.

Not so risky is it?


If it wasn't risky they wouldn't be docking up every time a neutral entered system would they?


Let me reply for him.

Josef Djugashvilis:

Where is the risk in docking up as soon as anyone enters local?



edit.... damn.. too slow
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#333 - 2013-07-22 12:12:49 UTC
apparently if you live in null you should be flying your ratting ship straight up to hostiles and deactivating all your mods

if you don't you're a dirty nullbear
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#334 - 2013-07-22 12:19:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Benny Ohu wrote:
apparently if you live in null you should be flying your ratting ship straight up to hostiles and deactivating all your mods

if you don't you're a dirty nullbear


Seems so.

My favorite part is the absurd leap in logic that just because ratting to get officer mods has a much higher upper bound than straight up doing incursions, that somehow that means that every single nullsec dweller is swimming in them. Or that somehow, the higher upper bound means that the median income for highsec is lower. (It's not)

You need Air Jordan's to make a leap of logic like that.

If it were even close to true, explorers would be the wealthiest citizens of highsec, because the upper bounds of exploration, DED sites in particular, are much much higher than a legitimate isk/hr activity like incursions. But the average income of exploration pales in comparison.

That's the beauty of incursions. No RNG. None whatsoever, the big guys involved have it down to a science. That's why incursions are the highest isk/hr activity in New Eden. (besides scamming)

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#335 - 2013-07-22 12:25:14 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
I don't know.

There seems to be quite a bit of cognitive dissonance going on here.

If you are posting on the forums to get your voice heard and you believe only your voice is heard and you believe that a majority of people feel the way you feel without actually using tools to scientifically prove that your opinion is in the majority then perhaps you might not realize your own situation.


That's just........ I don't know what to call that.

That's the problem with trying to discuss thing with you and the others on the forum like you. When did I ever say *ONLY* my voice and when did I state that my opinion is anything more than my own? I don't care what any majority thinks.

Perhaps English isn't your 1st language, because if it is you then have no excuse for adding things to my ideas that I never even slightly suggested. Seriously, you picked the exact right screen name lol.

Quote:

In this you are asking that you receive preferential treatment without realizing it. You simply believe your view is the most popular and therefore must be right. That and you have come up with reasons with yourself to make yourself believe you are right.


I tend to be right when the facts support what I believe. When they don't I tend to be wrong lol.

But this post right here that I am replying to, this demonstrates exactly what I say on here all the time. You are projecting onto me some of your own craziness (for instance, the idea that I believe my views are "popular", who ever said such a thing?). In other words, YOU have some "issues" and yet somehow I'm the problem...

I
Quote:

There is no doubt in my mind that I would never persuade you to see the error in your thinking.

If you did, I would be amazed at your position as a human being.


EVIDENCE is what shows me the error in my thinking. But you (and the others of your type) never have any, then get mad because you can't change any minds...because you never have any real evidence of what you claim and on and on.

Quote:


What I am really trying to point out and I really doubt you would comprehend is that your mashing of the keyboard in this thread will not achieve anything.

Neither will my punching of the keys, but at least I am doing this to entice you to post more.

Let's make wager... If you read this far and want to prove me wrong let's say if I am wrong that you will no longer make any further posts to this thread. If I am right, then please continue to post in this thread and thereby admitting that I was right all along.

I am willing to say this is my last post as long as you do not post any further.


I almost typed something that would have gotten me banned lol. But with you it's like talking to a small child (lol, "If you reply to this I win", sounds like my 5 year old's level of logic.

You say our postings don't make a difference, yet you continue to post. There is the lie in your belief.

No, the real truth is that deep down you know that you're usually wrong, and rather than try to understand why you tend to be wrong, you make people (who are simply informing you as to why you are in error) the center of the "problem".

You are not alone. The people who tend to lose arguments tend to do the same as you do here all the time. You can almost smell the butt hurt over a strong internet connect. BE RIGHT in your thinking, offer compelling , self criticized arguments based on fact no feelings or flawed perceptions, and you wouldn't have these problems.

Oh, and if you reply to this I own you and will put you up for sell at the nearest Amarr Slave Auction...because I own you.
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#336 - 2013-07-22 12:30:06 UTC
Man, a lot of null people haven't even seen an officer. 10/10's and other plexes don' guarantee a reward, and if you want safety - you will need scouts as you move. Local makes intel a tad too easy but that's miles from how safe hisec is. Average reward is the same and hisec risk/reward ratio is way outta line.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Uma D
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#337 - 2013-07-22 12:33:15 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
I don't know.

There seems to be quite a bit of cognitive dissonance going on here.

If you are posting on the forums to get your voice heard and you believe only your voice is heard and you believe that a majority of people feel the way you feel without actually using tools to scientifically prove that your opinion is in the majority then perhaps you might not realize your own situation.


That's just........ I don't know what to call that.

That's the problem with trying to discuss thing with you and the others on the forum like you. When did I ever say *ONLY* my voice and when did I state that my opinion is anything more than my own? I don't care what any majority thinks.

Perhaps English isn't your 1st language, because if it is you then have no excuse for adding things to my ideas that I never even slightly suggested. Seriously, you picked the exact right screen name lol.

Quote:

In this you are asking that you receive preferential treatment without realizing it. You simply believe your view is the most popular and therefore must be right. That and you have come up with reasons with yourself to make yourself believe you are right.


I tend to be right when the facts support what I believe. When they don't I tend to be wrong lol.

But this post right here that I am replying to, this demonstrates exactly what I say on here all the time. You are projecting onto me some of your own craziness (for instance, the idea that I believe my views are "popular", who ever said such a thing?). In other words, YOU have some "issues" and yet somehow I'm the problem...

I
Quote:

There is no doubt in my mind that I would never persuade you to see the error in your thinking.

If you did, I would be amazed at your position as a human being.


EVIDENCE is what shows me the error in my thinking. But you (and the others of your type) never have any, then get mad because you can't change any minds...because you never have any real evidence of what you claim and on and on.

Quote:


What I am really trying to point out and I really doubt you would comprehend is that your mashing of the keyboard in this thread will not achieve anything.

Neither will my punching of the keys, but at least I am doing this to entice you to post more.

Let's make wager... If you read this far and want to prove me wrong let's say if I am wrong that you will no longer make any further posts to this thread. If I am right, then please continue to post in this thread and thereby admitting that I was right all along.

I am willing to say this is my last post as long as you do not post any further.


I almost typed something that would have gotten me banned lol. But with you it's like talking to a small child (lol, "If you reply to this I win", sounds like my 5 year old's level of logic.

You say our postings don't make a difference, yet you continue to post. There is the lie in your belief.

No, the real truth is that deep down you know that you're usually wrong, and rather than try to understand why you tend to be wrong, you make people (who are simply informing you as to why you are in error) the center of the "problem".

You are not alone. The people who tend to lose arguments tend to do the same as you do here all the time. You can almost smell the butt hurt over a strong internet connect. BE RIGHT in your thinking, offer compelling , self criticized arguments based on fact no feelings or flawed perceptions, and you wouldn't have these problems.

Oh, and if you reply to this I own you and will put you up for sell at the nearest Amarr Slave Auction...because I own you.


I will buy him, but only if you put 10 Billion on top of it as compensation for the personal suffering i have to endure then.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#338 - 2013-07-22 12:35:59 UTC
Quote:
I will buy him, but only if you put 10 Billion on top of it as compensation for the personal suffering i have to endure then.


See, that's why I buy corpses. No backtalk.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#339 - 2013-07-22 12:39:25 UTC
Uma D wrote:
[quote=Jenn aSide]

I will buy him, but only if you put 10 Billion on top of it as compensation for the personal suffering i have to endure then.


What is this space-world coming to when you can't even GIVE away a Tardbar or 2? Damn.

Twisted
Uma D
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#340 - 2013-07-22 12:40:24 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
I will buy him, but only if you put 10 Billion on top of it as compensation for the personal suffering i have to endure then.


See, that's why I buy corpses. No backtalk.


Allright.... if some1 slaps him real hard with a bat before the transaction i ll even pay some ISK :)