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Which drones to use with a "stabberbond"
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Heather Cole
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#1 - 2013-07-22 05:38:44 UTC
So I've fit out a few Stabbers to be like Vagabonds with training wheels (A because I can't sit in a Vaga yet, and B because even if I could they're expensive to lose when I don't even know if I'll enjoy their play style yet).
It was a pretty simple exercise until I got to the drone bay.
Should I stock it with a flight of ECM drones, or a flight of Warrior IIs?
ECMs would be useful if I derp it up and let a frigate scram me, but I'd imagine a flight of Warrior IIs would drive off all but the most ballsy frigate in short order too.
Thanks in advance, guys.

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Whitehound
#2 - 2013-07-22 07:22:58 UTC
Heather Cole wrote:
So I've fit out a few Stabbers to be like Vagabonds with training wheels (A because I can't sit in a Vaga yet, and B because even if I could they're expensive to lose when I don't even know if I'll enjoy their play style yet).
It was a pretty simple exercise until I got to the drone bay.
Should I stock it with a flight of ECM drones, or a flight of Warrior IIs?
ECMs would be useful if I derp it up and let a frigate scram me, but I'd imagine a flight of Warrior IIs would drive off all but the most ballsy frigate in short order too.
Thanks in advance, guys.

If you think a loss is too expensive right now then go with ECM drones.

Otherwise go with Warrior IIs. Someone might want to use ECM drones against you, because Minmatar is generally weak on sensor strength. You then do not send your Warrior IIs on the target, but keep them in the drone bay and launch them only when you see others launching ECM drones so that the Warrior IIs can kill off the ECM drones with auto aggression.

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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#3 - 2013-07-22 07:48:47 UTC
You can always mix them. Shocked
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#4 - 2013-07-22 08:33:43 UTC
Be a special snowflake, use hornets.

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Whitehound
#5 - 2013-07-22 08:40:22 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
You can always mix them. Shocked

Mixing drones is a bit like mixing guns.

Only when you want to use drones that receive stacking penalties like tracking disruptor drones and stasis web drones will a mix be a good thing. If you do not get any stacking penalties as with ECM drones and combat drones then a mix only waters down the effect of each other and their use becomes unclear. It is then better to make use of large drone bays and to hold a variety of drones. Damage then always comes before everything, because only damage kills, or you need to have a good reason why not to choose damage.

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Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-07-22 10:24:10 UTC
Think about how long you expect to live vs your target.

If you are hunting things that will fight back, then you will want the ECM drones (though winning a fight using these makes you a bit of a pansy) if you are fighting smaller targets or ganking things that dont pose much of a risk go with the extra damage from warrior IIs

Personnely i only use EC drones on BCs and BS so i dont get tackled by some solo frigate numpty and die a slow agonizing death.

If you want to fight things and feel like a real man doing so, go with dps and dont hide behind ew.

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-07-22 11:42:47 UTC
warriors because hornets wont jam anything in the time your ehp can hold.

also the whole vagabond/cynabal point kiting style got heavily nerfed with the TE nerf.

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#8 - 2013-07-22 12:16:16 UTC
Why are you awful awful people talking like i'm suggesting ECM drones.

I mean hornet II's you bads. There is nothing special snowflakey about ecm drones >=[

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Ginger Barbarella
#9 - 2013-07-22 16:21:10 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
Think about how long you expect to live vs your target.

If you are hunting things that will fight back, then you will want the ECM drones (though winning a fight using these makes you a bit of a pansy) if you are fighting smaller targets or ganking things that dont pose much of a risk go with the extra damage from warrior IIs

Personnely i only use EC drones on BCs and BS so i dont get tackled by some solo frigate numpty and die a slow agonizing death.

If you want to fight things and feel like a real man doing so, go with dps and dont hide behind ew.


For the KM wh0res out there who gives a crap how you got the kill? Go ECM and be proud!!

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Heather Cole
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#10 - 2013-07-23 12:58:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Heather Cole
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
warriors because hornets wont jam anything in the time your ehp can hold.


Yeah, I suppose the Warriors are always a known quantity, they always perform, wheres ECM sometimes works, sometimes doesn't. And of course, it will fail in the times I need it most, and the tank on my Stabber is paper thin.
Sticking with Warriors removes a variable.
It also stops me thinking stuff like "If I can just get one good jam on that uberpwnship, I can take it." I'm prone to thinking things like that. I like the fight more than I like the win. (Don't get me wrong, I love making the other guy blow up, but as long as a fight's been fun, I'm okay with losing ships)

Thanks for the input, guys. Much appreciated.

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The VC's
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-07-24 00:12:55 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Why are you awful awful people talking like i'm suggesting ECM drones.

I mean hornet II's you bads. There is nothing special snowflakey about ecm drones >=[


Hornets are surprisingly savage I've found.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#12 - 2013-07-24 12:43:09 UTC
Yeh they are quite fine. Faster than Hammers and to kinetic instead of thermal which can be nice.

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Whitehound
#13 - 2013-07-24 13:49:02 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Yeh they are quite fine. Faster than Hammers and to kinetic instead of thermal which can be nice.

And their stronger shields somewhat reduces the need for repairs, because these recharge by themselves.

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