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ImmutableDark
Absalom.
#21 - 2013-07-22 04:19:09 UTC
Care bear problems.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-07-22 04:28:37 UTC
No one in their right mind would/should choose to do Guristas missions in an already boring pve scenario.

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#23 - 2013-07-22 06:05:00 UTC
Apparently OP missed the memo on the Great Drone Nerf a few months back. Sad

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#24 - 2013-07-22 06:06:04 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Apparently OP missed the memo on the Great Drone Nerf a few months back. Sad


They nerfed domis? We've been kicking goons to the curb with domis!

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-07-22 06:16:14 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Apparently OP missed the memo on the Great Drone Nerf a few months back. Sad


They nerfed domis? We've been kicking goons to the curb with domis!

NPC AI is more effective against domis than goons are.

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Mater Otomeya
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-07-22 06:30:44 UTC
I guess that I have been fed a good deal of outdated information, then. I ran Stop the Thief just now after taking some of the advice here, and it went smoother, but still not as planned. I was not aware that you could set drones to assist, as I dont fly drone boats normally, nor do I typically assist an alt in mission running. So thank you for that, as it made life quite a bit easier. Now my only problem is that the Dominix is an agro magnet. Due to this, I still find the MJD to have a decent use. Stop the Thief didnt have any/much missile action, so I was able to successfully range tank that mission. However, being that I run missions for the Caldari Navy, and the Tengu is well suited for taking down Guristas quickly, I am not willing to give up the Gurista missions.

The only plus here is that the Dominix pulls so much agro that I might be able to put a larger tank on it (remove an Omni or the MJD for a cap booster, and take off a DDA for an additional hardener) and then remove most of the tank from the Tengu, freeing up slots for TPs, which would also allow me to remove my Flare rigs, and put in rigs for more DPS instead... But I have a feeling that I should have just gone with a Rattlesnake, tanked the hell out of it, and used FOF Cruises...
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#27 - 2013-07-22 07:10:16 UTC
tl;dr drugs are bad k?
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#28 - 2013-07-22 07:48:42 UTC
Mater Otomeya wrote:
The only plus here is that the Dominix pulls so much agro that I might be able to put a larger tank on it (remove an Omni or the MJD for a cap booster, and take off a DDA for an additional hardener) and then remove most of the tank from the Tengu, freeing up slots for TPs, which would also allow me to remove my Flare rigs, and put in rigs for more DPS instead... But I have a feeling that I should have just gone with a Rattlesnake, tanked the hell out of it, and used FOF Cruises...


I fly a Huginn in partnership with one or two Domis. The Domi has the clear advantage of tracking and range over the Rattlesnake, even with a decent tank. For The Assault, you might want to consider flying two RR T2 sentry Domis instead of Domi + Tengu/Huginn. That is one of the missions where I fly two Domis with a Huginn, simply because the amount of incoming damage is too much for a T2 Domi to tank on its own. You might get a better tank by using better modules, but then you are setting yourself up as a piñata for some wascly piwate. The again, I am the one flying a dual fed web Huginn.

Other than a Tengu ormHuginn, you could use a Loki as the "forward observer" with the webifier subsystem. I haven't used this setup myself: the Huginn is good enough. Well, was good enough, until I hit a rock warping into Vengeance and bounced right into a pack of NPCs who blew me up before the Domis could lock me.

Which is why I am considering switching to a dual Domi setup, switching to web drones + light drones for the small stuff that gets under the sentry drones.

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Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-07-22 07:53:49 UTC
Mater Otomeya wrote:

The Dominix is far from a semi-AFK ship, and I dont get why people suggest it as such. Especially not as a second ship for mission running...


Post your fit.
Mater Otomeya
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-07-22 07:55:34 UTC
For The Assault, I might just put the Tengu in solo, as I have done it tons of time, and it just speed tanks the place. The alt has almost no missile skills, which is why I didnt go Rattlesnake, and why I dont really want to try to get him into a Tengu. The part that sucks is that he could fly a Legion, but I have a very strong feeling that he wont be as lucky as the Tengu. But if I go with a very high kin/therm tank on the Domi, and fit a cap booster with the LAR, he might tank well enough to use him, but the downside is that there was constant drone agro.
Mater Otomeya
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-07-22 08:03:32 UTC
Victoria Sin wrote:
Mater Otomeya wrote:

The Dominix is far from a semi-AFK ship, and I dont get why people suggest it as such. Especially not as a second ship for mission running...


Post your fit.


Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Core A-Type Large Armor Repairer
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Core B-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
Core B-Type Armor Thermic Hardener

Large Micro Jump Drive
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Gist C-Type 100MN Afterburner

Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Anti-Explosive Pump I
Large Ionic Field Projector I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Hardeners being mission specific. Also, is there a way to copy that from EFT, so I dont have to type it all out?
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
#32 - 2013-07-22 08:06:47 UTC
Mater Otomeya wrote:
For The Assault, I might just put the Tengu in solo, as I have done it tons of time, and it just speed tanks the place. The alt has almost no missile skills, which is why I didnt go Rattlesnake, and why I dont really want to try to get him into a Tengu. The part that sucks is that he could fly a Legion, but I have a very strong feeling that he wont be as lucky as the Tengu. But if I go with a very high kin/therm tank on the Domi, and fit a cap booster with the LAR, he might tank well enough to use him, but the downside is that there was constant drone agro.
You have Gallente BS, you have Loki skills?

Get him into an autocannon/afterburner Machariel. Instapop the small annoying stuff, orbit the Machariel with your Tengu and laugh as both speed tank the rest of the NPCs Smile
Mater Otomeya
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-07-22 08:10:27 UTC
Pohbis wrote:
You have Gallente BS, you have Loki skills?

Get him into an autocannon/afterburner Machariel. Instapop the small annoying stuff, orbit the Machariel with your Tengu and laugh as both speed tank the rest of the NPCs Smile


No, the character has up to medium spec Energy Turrets, as well as the Amarr cruiser/strategic cruiser. I have HACs as well, so was thinking Ishtar, but I dont have Gall Cruiser 5.
Whitehound
#34 - 2013-07-22 09:33:54 UTC
Mater Otomeya wrote:
Hardeners being mission specific. Also, is there a way to copy that from EFT, so I dont have to type it all out?

PYFA has got a "To Clipboard" and "From Clipboard" feature to easily import and export fittings as text. I am pretty sure EFT has got the same.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
MacKael
Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-07-22 11:08:51 UTC
im not sure how most of the people on here do it, but i use a mjd domi EVERY mission in gallente space. never once have to warp out, or ever go into armor. i guess its all on how you pilot it that makes you successfull.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#36 - 2013-07-22 11:13:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
MacKael wrote:
im not sure how most of the people on here do it, but i use a mjd domi EVERY mission in gallente space. never once have to warp out, or ever go into armor. i guess its all on how you pilot it that makes you successfull.


The Assault versus Guristas is a very different mission to The Assault versus Serpentis. Note that in the Serpentis version you can skip the difficult combat and simply go to the second room without shooting anything.

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Mater Otomeya
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-07-22 11:21:11 UTC
Indeed. In the second room, I did a jump and was about 150km away from the nearest ship. Still getting hit by missiles.
Kyperion
#38 - 2013-07-22 13:17:04 UTC
How about an Armageddon fitted with cruises? Been playing around on EFT and looks like you can put some impressive mileage out of the 5 launcher hardpoints, plus the range bonus for the Vamps. Enough Lows and Mids to field a good tank. Alternatively If you had targeting and fitting skills, Large Projectiles could be set up to alpha a lot of the smaller stuff.
Mater Otomeya
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-07-22 13:33:56 UTC
I had looked into the Armageddon, but the missing range bonus for the drones put me off. I may have found a solution, though. Rather than having two in combat, I put my Tengu pilot into an Osprey with a ton of cap rechargers/CCCs, three shield transporters, and two energy transfers. Was pretty cheap, and shield boosts the hell out of the Dominix. The energy transfers let me put a MWD on the Dominix, and remove all of the tank for better drone damage. Wont go as quickly as a Dominix and a Tengu, but so far it seems a bit faster than the Tengu, and when I have the Osprey orbit the Dominix, he is just a set and forget. I put a shield transporter on one of my open highs on the Dominix to give the Osprey a decent tank. At 650m/s, I havent seen any real incoming damage on him in the last 3 missions.
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#40 - 2013-07-22 14:48:11 UTC
Mater Otomeya wrote:
I have been running level 4s with my Tengu for some time now, and they have always gone very smoothly. No warping out, good DPS, can orbit a wreck for most of the mission, and can run from the computer if needed. Against Guristas, the DPS is also very nice.

However, I was looking at using an alt to assist, instead of just salvage at the end. I figured that since I have an alt with decent drone skills, I would try semi-afking a drone ship, since I have seen many people mention it. (and since they are solo, I figured that this would work out perfectly with two characters.)

So I fit out a Dominix, took "The Assault," and flew my Tengu and Dominix out there. Tengu goes it first, and starts agroing the stuff, and the Dominix comes in about 30 seconds later. Most of the NPCs are about 40km off, and some out around 100km, so I toss out my Gardes. Since I dont have anything on me, I have to tell the Gardes who to target, and that is fine, because I have two monitors, and it took minimal time. Getting ECMed was a pain, but still. The problem was that about 15 seconds after the Gardes started shooting, half the ships decided that my space potato looked mighty tasty, and completely switched to me. I got my LARs going, and noticed that I had two Gardes taking damage. Scoop them up, wait 5 seconds, poop them back out. By this time, almost all the ships have switched to my Dominix, even though my Tengu is putting out more DPS, and is closer.

So I scoop up the Gardes again, and Micro Jump. This puts them about 120km away, which was farther than my 104km targeting range. No big deal, start floating him over while you mess around with the Tengu. Too bad that nearly all those ships were still on my Dominix, and pounding him with cruise missiles, even at 120km. (And I read SO many places that a heavy tank wouldnt be needed, because you just jump and range tank... Yeah...) So I get into targeting range, and drop the Bouncers. They dont get agro, but I have to scoop them and warp out because the damage was easily overpowering my Core A-type LAR. The Tengu now gets all the agro again, and spend the rest of the time at 100% shields, orbiting his wreck.

Once I get some cap back, I warp the Dominix back in, drop the Gardes, and about 15 seconds later I get agro again, some even to the drones. (this is post wave spawn, btw. Just random agro switches) Again, the Dominix is farther away, doing less DPS, and yet the whole room really likes the way he smells. Scoop, MJD, Bouncers, blah. Same results, but this time the room clears before I run out of cap on the Dominix. Tengu still orbiting his wreck, still at 100% shields.

Repeat for pocket two, including very sporadic agro changes towards my drones. Good thing that this was a "drop drones at 100km and make yourself a sandwich" ship, being that I spent almost all my time and attention babysitting it, while the Tengu actually worked semi afk for the most part. Just pick new targets, and start shooting after reloading for the most part.

So seriously, wtf? Why does everyone say that the Dominix is a great AFK ship? I should have just spent the extra time, got a second Tengu, and flown those two... Likely would have been nearly as fast, no slow boating BS, no warping out, no drone micromanagement, no crazy agro swaps (which I was assured wouldnt happen, being that agro was already taken...) etc. I did "The Score" as well, with very similar results. Even worse, I was so busy micromanaging the crap, that I MJDed and forgot to stop ship, and when my Bouncers got agro, I was 17km off...

TL;DR:

The Dominix is far from a semi-AFK ship, and I dont get why people suggest it as such. Especially not as a second ship for mission running...

fried potatoes are tasty, even space potatoes.

also, afk-ing mission o whathever in drone boats is not possible anymore, since the regular rats now have a "lighter" sleeper AI