EVE General Discussion

Hmm. I shall have to make it a point to peruse his works in the future for this quote. Btw, peruse's proper meaning, is not "skim over", as it used in the vernacular. It actually means "intensely study".

Library card for the win.

I don't know.

There seems to be quite a bit of cognitive dissonance going on here.

If you are posting on the forums to get your voice heard and you believe only your voice is heard and you believe that a majority of people feel the way you feel without actually using tools to scientifically prove that your opinion is in the majority then perhaps you might not realize your own situation.

In this you are asking that you receive preferential treatment without realizing it. You simply believe your view is the most popular and therefore must be right. That and you have come up with reasons with yourself to make yourself believe you are right.

I know for one my opinion is not the majority of opinions because I know I don't really believe in the majority opinion so I have a hunch that I could be leading you on somewhat and forcing you to post more and derive joy out of getting you to mash away on your keyboards. Yet, I realize that perhaps in my own views have no right or wrong. I am simply stating that you do not realize that you could very well be somewhat wrong and never admit that.

There is no doubt in my mind that I would never persuade you to see the error in your thinking.

If you did, I would be amazed at your position as a human being.

That said, I would like to point out that only a fraction of people that play EVE post on the forums. If a game developer only listed to the forums, the would be missing out on the majority of the player's voice. Which is why they do things like surveys and of course the CSM and of course have exit polls when people quit the game.

What I am really trying to point out and I really doubt you would comprehend is that your mashing of the keyboard in this thread will not achieve anything.

Neither will my punching of the keys, but at least I am doing this to entice you to post more.

Let's make wager... If you read this far and want to prove me wrong let's say if I am wrong that you will no longer make any further posts to this thread. If I am right, then please continue to post in this thread and thereby admitting that I was right all along.

I am willing to say this is my last post as long as you do not post any further.

Oh well. It seems that you read what I said and could not resist the urge to keep posting.

If what I said was wrong I promised I would concede defeat and admit I was wrong if you no longer posted to this thread.

I guess that gives me a win.

Anyways, to keep you posting let us think for a moment...

CCP doesn't listen to the forums because if they did they would have removed hi-sec by now.

QED

I for one would be perfectly happy with low sec rules extending up to +0.7 sec space.

Hey,

I've been reading a lot of these posts. Some of it goes over my head - not enough experience to understand what's being discussed, but I've noticed a few people advocate an "Incursion" for null sec instead of high sec. I think, and I could be wrong, the reason it's called "Incursions" is because the Empire is being invaded by insurgents attempting to wrest control of systems from the Empire.

Null sec is not the territory of any Empire, and so, no incursions occur there. However, if "incursions" were to occur in null sec, it would happen in corporation and allied controlled systems. That would mean that NPC's are attempting to wrest sovereignty from said corporations and allies.

Are you sure that's what you want?

Incrusions happen in null all the time. Usually somewhere you are either trying to get to, or some system where you MUST have a mid to get a fleet moved.

...and they very rarely get ran because putting that much shiny in one place means that you are making yourself a target for anyone that has a titan in range.

it's difficult to get a big fleet up. 'hopefully nothing will happen, just watch these miners' is not a good way to get people to bother logging on. also, a big fleet is an invitation for everyone else to get a big fleet up in the knowledge there's a fleet fight to be had if only they run up and start throwing punches. which shuts down the isk-making

an 'overwatch fleet' is going to have a boring job of it, sitting on a titan somewhere waiting for a 'go'. and you have to account that more pilots not working means less shared isk for everyone, and all that manpower could be running elsewhere making isk instead of only half making isk while the other half watches

i think if it was viable to run incursions in low or nullsec, you'd be seeing a lot more of them being run than there are. eve players, all trying different things, as a whole move towards the easiest and most profitable ways of making money. when that most profitable way is in highsec or in npc services, i feel there's a whole lot of potential gameplay that's been robbed of everyone involved

i mean, look at the fountain war - from what i understand of it, the war is driven by a combination of a desire for r64 resources and old alliance grudges. the desire for resources started a war that has hundreds of people logging in and having some fun

instead of having industry all done (bar caps/supers) in highsec npc stations, i'd wish that there was a reason to build where your assets are at risk, a reason to attack someone else's assets, a reason to defend your assets or have someone defend them, but that people were still able to make isk using npc services. and i'd wish it was entertaining to do all those things. but right now? there is no reason to do any of those things but build in highsec npc stations. i feel there's potential for gameplay drivers here, but that potential is being wasted :(

there is no right way you **********
ego much?


hisec is all ok as it is. risk vs. reward is in balance... you see ridiculously expensive nm, machariels, vindis, golems, rni, tengus being blown up in highsec all the time. In null it's worth celebrating for a year and shoot fireworks if something that expensive gets blown up. (not talking about capitals ofc)

how many exhumers go *pop* per day? have you even bothered to learn about it? hisec is ridiculous isk sink.. while also being so called "risk free isk faucet"


In null you can make ridiculous easy money just by mining (is boring but then again profitable) and dont come talk about getting ore into jita blaablaaa blaaaa - its bs.

if your corp does not have jumpfreighters and cyno network then you just suck ass and obviously you whine here because you'd want things to get handed to you even more easily because you cant do it right.

you could make very good money just by ratting... easy, just go and shoot em in face - see isk being printed to your account every tick. And alot of it if you do it right.

while random lvl4 runner has to deal with gankers and griefers all the time, stealing loot, stealing salvage, stealing mission objective and get it contracted you for 1bil.

in null you can run missions for pirates and make ******** amount of isk + shiny pirate ships you get from there - without any risk at all.


Also go take a look how much pods/ships have been destroyed in what regions of space? Do you notice something weird??
80% of all deaths have ocurred in hi/lo sec.... aint that weird?! losec is ofc FW area but thats only place in eve where you could have some fun pvp atm.

Loook at deep null, JUST LOOK AT IT FOR CRHIST SAKE it's the safest palce in whole eve.......

Nailed it

Only reward is not in balance due to the fact that much of the rewards has not been nerfed at all and even buffed while rewards in null have had year on year nerfs.



We have bothered to learn about it. Exhumers and barge kills are at record lows and are statistically the safest ships in high sec to own

Given the lack of industrial capability in null the ore has nowhere else to go other than to high sec where the industry happens and where the markets are.



In the six or seven years I have been playing I have never even been scanned in my mission ship and I know of nobody in any of the corps I have been in that has been ganked. It is a very rare even that only happens to people who slap billions onto the ships. T2 fit ships get the job done and are not a gank target.


Numbers show that Null sec is where the vast bulk of PVP deaths have happened on the order of 7 to 1 against high sec. Of high sec losses 8 die to pve for every 1 pvp death and most of those pve deaths are from the likes of condors in tutorial missions.