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[Odyssey 1.1] Skill group name changes

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Smelly PirateSaint
Perkone
Caldari State
#441 - 2013-07-17 11:33:52 UTC
"Spaceship Piloting" sounds as though it's been renamed for a 10 year old's comprehension
Zenith Gravit
LionGate Enterprises
#442 - 2013-07-17 19:27:46 UTC
Please don't change Spaceship Command to Spaceship Piloting, as a previous poster stated it sounds childish. Spaceship Command just sounds better.
Nova Satar
Pator Tech School
#443 - 2013-07-18 09:42:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Satar
can we rename 'Gunnery' to 'Gun Shooting' please, as some people may not be aware the skills relate to the firing of the guns, rather than the appearance of the guns

I think Navigation should also be changed to "Spaceship Moving" so it's clear it relates to the movement of the ship, whereas navigation could be confused with directions and map based skills.
deusexmura lard
Perkone
Caldari State
#444 - 2013-07-19 02:13:33 UTC
please keep PI as is. In theory yes Planetology and Adv. Planetology are "scanning" abilities, but we are so used to those 5-6 PI skill lumped together.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#445 - 2013-07-19 04:56:12 UTC
Are you guys just changing things for the sake of changing them?

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#446 - 2013-07-19 09:15:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Little Dragon Khamez
*snip, I had been trolled, post removed to protect IQ

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Baren
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#447 - 2013-07-19 19:51:05 UTC
LOL Space ship piloting


Please leave it As Space ship command !



or we might as well have skills called

small laser gun(small energy turret), big laser gun(medium energy turrent), bigger laser gun(large energy turret), and really really big laser gun(xlarge engergy turret)
Nyrak
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#448 - 2013-07-21 17:00:34 UTC
Dear CCP,

Who is your intended target audience for these changes? If after ten plus years players can not figure out what these skills mean, then those type of players would not survive long in this game anyway.
Oraac Ensor
#449 - 2013-07-21 19:04:37 UTC
Nyrak wrote:
Dear CCP,

Who is your intended target audience for these changes? If after ten plus years players can not figure out what these skills mean, then those type of players would not survive long in this game anyway.

What? Players who have been in EVE for ten plus years won't survive long?

Eh? I don't get that.
AstraPardus
Earthside Mixlabs
#450 - 2013-07-21 22:20:44 UTC
One of the things that appealed to me about EVE from the get-go was that the skills and a lot of the naming conventions required you to learn the EVE lingo and immerse yourself that much more. With these new naming conventions, I see the devs moving away from that and supporting a simpler, more 'dumbed-down' approach.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#451 - 2013-07-24 07:06:55 UTC
Broadly like the changes.

Dislike 'Multiple Targeting' and 'Advanced Multiple Targeting' but I have no suggestions better than what has been said.

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Akturous
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#452 - 2013-07-24 07:27:58 UTC
Space ship piloting is a joke. Multiple Targeting should be tactical targeting and advanced tactical targeting or something, seriously what kind of illiterate 12 year olds are you trying to placate with these names, it sounds terrible.

Catalised cold gas arc jet thrusters for life. Fulmination, bloodclaw, cataclysm, terror etc for life as well, these new naming this to simplify them are awful.

Vote Item Heck One for CSM8
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#453 - 2013-07-24 08:09:14 UTC
Nova Satar wrote:
can we rename 'Gunnery' to 'Gun Shooting' please, as some people may not be aware the skills relate to the firing of the guns, rather than the appearance of the guns

I think Navigation should also be changed to "Spaceship Moving" so it's clear it relates to the movement of the ship, whereas navigation could be confused with directions and map based skills.


I like both of these ideas, I'll flag them to CCP later.

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#454 - 2013-07-24 08:29:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Omnathious Deninard
Malcanis wrote:
Nova Satar wrote:
can we rename 'Gunnery' to 'Gun Shooting' please, as some people may not be aware the skills relate to the firing of the guns, rather than the appearance of the guns

I think Navigation should also be changed to "Spaceship Moving" so it's clear it relates to the movement of the ship, whereas navigation could be confused with directions and map based skills.


I like both of these ideas, I'll flag them to CCP later.

Can you lobby for space ship piloting to be changed to "I can fly this"

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#455 - 2013-07-24 10:39:23 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Broadly like the changes.

Dislike 'Multiple Targeting' and 'Advanced Multiple Targeting' but I have no suggestions better than what has been said.

A very easy fix would be...
Multi-Targeting and Advanced Multi-Targeting, to get read of the "multiple".

But there have been better suggestions in this thread somewhere.
Akturous
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#456 - 2013-07-24 12:04:22 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Nova Satar wrote:
can we rename 'Gunnery' to 'Gun Shooting' please, as some people may not be aware the skills relate to the firing of the guns, rather than the appearance of the guns

I think Navigation should also be changed to "Spaceship Moving" so it's clear it relates to the movement of the ship, whereas navigation could be confused with directions and map based skills.


I like both of these ideas, I'll flag them to CCP later.


Are you bloody serious?!! Gun shooting, spaceship moving, it sounds like the talk of a 5 year old. CSM, stuffing **** up since the beginning.

Vote Item Heck One for CSM8
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#457 - 2013-07-24 15:27:24 UTC
Akturous wrote:
Are you bloody serious?!! Gun shooting, spaceship moving, it sounds like the talk of a 5 year old. CSM, stuffing **** up since the beginning.

You may have forgotten to train Advanced Reading to IV.
Infinite Force
#458 - 2013-07-24 16:30:32 UTC
Sephira Galamore wrote:
Akturous wrote:
Are you bloody serious?!! Gun shooting, spaceship moving, it sounds like the talk of a 5 year old. CSM, stuffing **** up since the beginning.

You may have forgotten to train Advanced Reading to IV.

Don't forget Sarcasm I (it's a level 1 skill .. everyone should have it trained to 1 at a minimum).

I feel that quite a number of these changes are completely dumbing down the game for no good reason. Really makes me wonder why I even bother to play sometimes.

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Balzac Legazou
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#459 - 2013-07-25 02:22:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Balzac Legazou
CCP Ytterbium wrote:


  • Targeting: for the same reasons as above, this skill has been renamed "Multiple Targeting".

  • Multitasking: has been renamed "Advanced Multiple Targeting" for the same reasons as above.



    • They sound kind of bad. Maybe "Multi-Target Locking" and "Advanced Multi-Target Locking" ?

    CCP Ytterbium wrote:

    Spaceship Piloting: is the old Spaceship Command group, no change except with the name.


    Also sounds a bit silly. If you're afraid that "Spaceship Command" might sound like a leadership skill, go with "Spaceship Control" or simply "Helm".

    CCP Ytterbium wrote:

    Resource Processing: has all mining, harvesting skills and reprocessing skills.


    I'd prefer a clearer separation between mining and refining (not just in terms of skill names, but also in terms of skill requirements for things like mining crystals, etc.). Mining and refining are different activities, in Eve just like in the real world. A miner does not need to know anything about how refineries work, or vice versa. If anything, refining is closer to manufacturing than it is to mining (both are performed at stations, both deal with ore units while mining deals with volumes, etc.).

    I realise this thread isn't about the skills themselves, but in case you want to clean up the overlap between mining and refining in the future (which I hope you do), I think it would be wise to separate "Resource Harvesting" (mining) and "Resource Processing" (refining) into two separate groups straight away.

    Most of the rest seems to make sense and sound good (except for PI, which is getting broken up into several groups for no apparent reason).
    Siresa Talesi
    Doomheim
    #460 - 2013-07-25 19:53:30 UTC
    CCP Ytterbium wrote:
    Multiple Targeting and Advanced Multiple Targeting:
  • Agreed, it doesn't sound that great. As with Spaceship Piloting, this will be discussed internally again - some options listed in that thread sound promising, but please remember that we would ideally like skill names to be representative of what they actually do.


    • Again, it "doesn't sound that great," because it is grammatically incorrect English! You cannot pair an adjective (multiple) with a verb (targetting)! It sounds wrong because it is wrong!