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Why nerf high sec?

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#221 - 2013-07-21 04:56:09 UTC
Julius Priscus wrote:


I know of many pilots in high sec who hates corp that even charge 1% tax. they are the leeches of eve and only in it for them selves.



Strangely enough, many pilots have this oddly heretical dislike of having their ISK frittered away on grandiose political schemes that rarely benefit them whatsoever. Small wonder they'd rather be the judge of how their own ISK is spent.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#222 - 2013-07-21 04:56:58 UTC
bloodknight2 wrote:
Nullbears want to nerf hi sec because they think all carebears are making billions every day running incursion in their officer fit machariel or mission/ mine AFK

We want it nerfed because we are in high sec making our billions because high sec offers around the same reward for much less effort and risk. Its the only option because we cannot buff null/low rewards.
Julius Priscus
#223 - 2013-07-21 06:24:36 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
Julius Priscus wrote:


I know of many pilots in high sec who hates corp that even charge 1% tax. they are the leeches of eve and only in it for them selves.



Strangely enough, many pilots have this oddly heretical dislike of having their ISK frittered away on grandiose political schemes that rarely benefit them whatsoever. Small wonder they'd rather be the judge of how their own ISK is spent.



they fail to realise that corps have ongoing costs.. yet they bicker about taxes.

when I 1st started playing eve back in 2004 we had a ceo that spent left over corp taxes on him self. yet you don't see me hating corp taxes etc.
Julius Priscus
#224 - 2013-07-21 06:25:48 UTC
bloodknight2 wrote:
Nullbears want to nerf hi sec because they think all carebears are making billions every day running incursion in their officer fit machariel or mission/ mine AFK


not everyday... just weekly.
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#225 - 2013-07-21 06:53:53 UTC
Julius Priscus wrote:
ok guys how about....

remove concord and put the role of concord into players hands... gate guns still remain :) AND you still cant warp off with aggression...


I'm sure Goonswarm or New Order would be more than happy to play the role of Concord... Yeah.... That would work.... Mmm hhhhmmm... Yep. Sure...

NO WAY!

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bloodknight2
Revenu.Quebec
#226 - 2013-07-21 06:56:09 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
bloodknight2 wrote:
Nullbears want to nerf hi sec because they think all carebears are making billions every day running incursion in their officer fit machariel or mission/ mine AFK

We want it nerfed because we are in high sec making our billions because high sec offers around the same reward for much less effort and risk. Its the only option because we cannot buff null/low rewards.


I do agree it is possible to make more iskies with incursion than ratting/plexing in null, but everyone can go in empire and run them. It's not like if empire was closed to every nullbears.
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#227 - 2013-07-21 06:57:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Inokuma Yawara
baltec1 wrote:
bloodknight2 wrote:
Nullbears want to nerf hi sec because they think all carebears are making billions every day running incursion in their officer fit machariel or mission/ mine AFK

We want it nerfed because we are in high sec making our billions because high sec offers around the same reward for much less effort and risk. Its the only option because we cannot buff null/low rewards.


If it's so good here, why not come live and work in high sec? You'll be rich beyond your wildest dreams!

Seriously, though. I think someone mentioned this already. CCP rebalanced all of the ore and ice, and the like. So, for example, I a n00b miner in high sec, see higher profits from mining in low sec. I am making preparations to mine in low sec because I see greater rewards from doing that, even though it's riskier.

See? It's already been fixed.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#228 - 2013-07-21 07:01:04 UTC
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
bloodknight2 wrote:
Nullbears want to nerf hi sec because they think all carebears are making billions every day running incursion in their officer fit machariel or mission/ mine AFK

We want it nerfed because we are in high sec making our billions because high sec offers around the same reward for much less effort and risk. Its the only option because we cannot buff null/low rewards.


If it's so good here, why not come live and work in high sec? You'll be rich beyond your wildest dreams!

I do.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#229 - 2013-07-21 07:01:43 UTC
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
bloodknight2 wrote:
Nullbears want to nerf hi sec because they think all carebears are making billions every day running incursion in their officer fit machariel or mission/ mine AFK

We want it nerfed because we are in high sec making our billions because high sec offers around the same reward for much less effort and risk. Its the only option because we cannot buff null/low rewards.


If it's so good here, why not come live and work in high sec? You'll be rich beyond your wildest dreams!


Would you accept that argument if it was turned around? If 0.0 was so much better would you happily move your operations there?



Anyway, entertaining though all this theory crafting is, I'll just restate that as a CSM member I have not been made aware of any concrete proposal to nerf hi-sec. 0.0 industry did get a small buff, and CCP are watching that to see what happens, but AFAIK, hi-sec will pretty much stay as it is.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
CanI haveyourstuff
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#230 - 2013-07-21 07:20:24 UTC  |  Edited by: CanI haveyourstuff
baltec1 wrote:
I do.


Y u moan then? Dont want to make good iskies in hisec to feed ur pvp?
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#231 - 2013-07-21 08:13:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Inokuma Yawara
Malcanis wrote:
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
bloodknight2 wrote:
Nullbears want to nerf hi sec because they think all carebears are making billions every day running incursion in their officer fit machariel or mission/ mine AFK

We want it nerfed because we are in high sec making our billions because high sec offers around the same reward for much less effort and risk. Its the only option because we cannot buff null/low rewards.


If it's so good here, why not come live and work in high sec? You'll be rich beyond your wildest dreams!


Would you accept that argument if it was turned around? If 0.0 was so much better would you happily move your operations there?.


Quote:
If it's so good here, why not come live and work in high sec? You'll be rich beyond your wildest dreams!

Seriously, though. I think someone mentioned this already. CCP rebalanced all of the ore and ice, and the like. So, for example, I a n00b miner in high sec, see higher profits from mining in low sec. I am making preparations to mine in low sec because I see greater rewards from doing that, even though it's riskier.

See? It's already been fixed.


As you can see, I am making the necessary preparations to do just that, move some of my operations into low sec. Eventually, I'll be ready for work in null sec, but then I'll probably want to join a corporation, to improve my chances of surviving null sec space.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#232 - 2013-07-21 08:35:22 UTC
CanI haveyourstuff wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
I do.

Y u moan then? Dont want to make good iskies in hisec to feed ur pvp?

Because broken game design that obsoletes the game's own content is inherently bad and needs to be fixed. Just because it's good for me (or any other group or individual) doesn't mean it's good for the game.

If it were, we'd still have cyno-doomsdays, AoE doomsdays, tankable CONCORD, old-school nanofits, Falcons everywhere, contracts that did not spell out their numbers properly, dyspro tech bottlenecks, BPO lotteries, and all the myriad of other things that were removed from the game exactly because they were good for just the single person (ab)using it.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#233 - 2013-07-21 08:43:43 UTC
CanI haveyourstuff wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
I do.


Y u moan then? Dont want to make good iskies in hisec to feed ur pvp?


I want to make my isk in null sec but with the rewards as they are in high sec there is just no point in taking the bigger risks of null. This is wrong, you should be rewarded for taking on the bigger risks and effort.
CanI haveyourstuff
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#234 - 2013-07-21 09:00:07 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
CanI haveyourstuff wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
I do.


Y u moan then? Dont want to make good iskies in hisec to feed ur pvp?


I want to make my isk in null sec but with the rewards as they are in high sec there is just no point in taking the bigger risks of null. This is wrong, you should be rewarded for taking on the bigger risks and effort.


then ask to buff null, not nerf high...

btw I dunno man but in legit corp and alliance there is no prob making ridiculous amounts of money in null - only downside is when some big war happens and you cant make money, instead you got to pew pew

but then again decent corps/alliances provide you pvp ships anyway so... dunno man.


stupid moan about hisec everywhere, if u ask me...
Uma D
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#235 - 2013-07-21 10:02:59 UTC
CanI haveyourstuff wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
CanI haveyourstuff wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
I do.


Y u moan then? Dont want to make good iskies in hisec to feed ur pvp?


I want to make my isk in null sec but with the rewards as they are in high sec there is just no point in taking the bigger risks of null. This is wrong, you should be rewarded for taking on the bigger risks and effort.


then ask to buff null, not nerf high...

btw I dunno man but in legit corp and alliance there is no prob making ridiculous amounts of money in null - only downside is when some big war happens and you cant make money, instead you got to pew pew

but then again decent corps/alliances provide you pvp ships anyway so... dunno man.


stupid moan about hisec everywhere, if u ask me...


People are asking to nerf high instaed of buffing other areas, because buffing other areas means that even more ISK gets pumped into the economy causing an even higher inflation.
Josef Djugashvilis
#236 - 2013-07-21 11:24:44 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Nerf highsec because it needs a nerf.


Nerf goons because they need a nerf.

Oh wait, TEST are nerfing them Smile

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#237 - 2013-07-21 12:49:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
CanI haveyourstuff wrote:
then ask to buff null, not nerf high.
The problem is that you can't buff null without nerfing high first, because without such a nerf, there is nowhere for the buffs to go (at least not without completely breaking the game).

Uma D wrote:
People are asking to nerf high instaed of buffing other areas,
No, it's not a matter of “instead” but of “in order to”. People are asking to nerf high so it becomes viable to buff other areas. One without the other is meaningless because it does nothing, and they're asking for both. It's just that some people get their panties in such a massive twist after reading the first bit that they always fail to notice the second part and the reasons why the two have to happen together.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#238 - 2013-07-21 13:22:40 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Nerf highsec because it needs a nerf.


Nerf goons because they need a nerf.

Oh wait, TEST are nerfing them Smile



They have us right where they want us.

http://pastebin.com/xDJ1mFNS

read that, then look at this

http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=22304

that is the same fight by the way.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#239 - 2013-07-21 13:59:03 UTC
CanI haveyourstuff wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
CanI haveyourstuff wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
I do.


Y u moan then? Dont want to make good iskies in hisec to feed ur pvp?


I want to make my isk in null sec but with the rewards as they are in high sec there is just no point in taking the bigger risks of null. This is wrong, you should be rewarded for taking on the bigger risks and effort.


then ask to buff null, not nerf high...

btw I dunno man but in legit corp and alliance there is no prob making ridiculous amounts of money in null - only downside is when some big war happens and you cant make money, instead you got to pew pew

but then again decent corps/alliances provide you pvp ships anyway so... dunno man.


stupid moan about hisec everywhere, if u ask me...


We cant buff null because that would inject too much isk into the system.
Josef Djugashvilis
#240 - 2013-07-21 14:46:12 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
bloodknight2 wrote:
Nullbears want to nerf hi sec because they think all carebears are making billions every day running incursion in their officer fit machariel or mission/ mine AFK

We want it nerfed because we are in high sec making our billions because high sec offers around the same reward for much less effort and risk. Its the only option because we cannot buff null/low rewards.


I also spend most of my time in hi-sec with the odd spell in null.

Us hi-sec players should stick together.

I am seriously disappointed that we have so much in common.

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