EVE General Discussion

Wait wait wait....an afk cloaker is engaged in pvp? How many kills are they on? by very definition it is 0, so it is safe to say that he is not partaking in pvp activities. Also, use some deductive reasoning, i mean, quantum mechanics dictates that the quantum world is filled with uncertainty, and yet we are able to predict outcomes quite reliably and harness some of its power. The same is true for the afk cloaker, predictions can be made. In any case, being prepared never hurts, which brings me to:



So you would have no problems with removing local then, and removing instant 100% accurate intel, making the players in system take measures outside of looking at local to keep themselves safe? Yes? You live in w-space, I know from you this is a yes.

I guarantee others will not see it the same way. They won't want to keep pumping d-scans, staying aligned and prepping their ships to deal with hostiles.

You know how I know they wont? Because for the last 17 pages we've been trying to tell them to do this exact same thing, and it's not good enough.

Let me ask you, if you scan down a hostile in w-space, do you leave and go to another wormhle? I'm curious.



pots and kettles bro. pots and kettles.

It has an impact on weak minded players. Just like scammers keep raking in billions from idiots because they keep fallnig for it. That's called culling the weak. I don't see a problem with it, nor would most people in this game. If you can't play in nullsec, the supposedly most dangerous place in space, without accepting some risk you don't deserve to be there.



And if water were in the habit of being sulfuric acid I would bring a tester with me, just in case. Or do I need more analogies to point out the benefits of being prepared? And how hard is it to look at the player in question and look at his kill history, see what he flies, see how long he's been sitting in system, and pieceing together a relatively decent picture of the situation?




Nevertheless, you can never be sure with the nature of local the exact number of opponents you run into and whether they can counter what you bring.

It's too bad you can't hotdrop in w-space, but let me break your idea for you. ME and a bunch of friends are going to crash your wormhole, making sure we are detected at least once by your cloak-detecting probes. As soon as I'm sure we've been spotted I'm going to warp off and recloak and bounce around until my logout timer is up, then we're just going to log on to our alts.

Have fun wondering if we're still there or not.

You could always do market trading, research and manufacturing.

And maybe PI, but you occasionally have to undock for that one, but you could do so in a cloaky hauler.

+1.. Leave the 2 systems separate.. I like local in null and I like the lack of it in WH.. WHen I tire of spamming dscan in the WH.. I log in this toon and play in null, where I have the safety of local as intel.. IF someone I don't know comes in, depending on what I'm doing I'll either move on, or try and pick a fight. I'm not one of those that has their ship fitted for pvp and rat in it, but I'll be changing to that soon, right now I'm just trying to play with the toys I have and just don't care enough about making the iskies to have that "can't rat 24x7" be an issue for me.. Plus if I want to pvp I just jump clone to the front lines and do it there.. (In all fairness I can't even remember the last time I actually ratted)

Once upon a time, someone turned on the lights in eve. Pretty soon after that the players started noticing a channel by the name of "local" in there that kept showing names that were soon found out to belong to the ppl in that system. So they started using it as an intelligence-tool that gave them 100% accurate information about the players in the system.

Some time passed and the players especially in the dangerous 0.0 -space (or nullsec) had developed a clever way to keep themselves safe from hunters. Whenever a new person showed up in local, they docked up/warped to a POS/logged off ,so the hunters couldn't get a kill out of the. The hunters soon grew bored of this and started looking for a way around this.

They came up with a plan: "As local shows everybody in the system and one unknown pilot will make everybody run and hide, why don't we put people in those systems for days on end and see if the guys get bored at being docked up." This was soon discovered as the best way to catch these people and/or their tears.

TL:DR :

AFK-cloaking is a player invented way of ******* up the perfect safety that local provides. Cloaks are fine. They have their advantage and disadvantages (If you are cloaked you can't be found, but you also can't do ****.). The real problem lies in the accuracy of the intel that local gives and the ease of dropping stuff from other side of New Eden.

Eve players are REALLY good at figuring how to stack the odds in their favor, be it the ratters or the cloakers. There are million threads about "AFK-cloaking" and how to fix it, but there are only few that actually have good ideas.

I tell you the truth, nullbears hate cloaks for 2 reasons:

1) It allows people to bypass their crappy gatecamps (with the mwd trick).
2) It Doesn't allow them to gank foreign players in their system when "they" want.

Childish i know

Counter point, it actually is an awesome mechanic design.

Heres however how I'd fix cloaking.

My only real complaint is ratters and mission runners can use it too.

The ones who want to fix afk-cloaking are really fast at pointing how wormholes and wormholers aren't relevant to the discussion but you are still suggesting things that would break WH-space...

Fixing one "problem" shouldn't create alot of new ones.

And if cloaks were a real problem, I think there would be more complaints from other parts of space as well.

this is so stupid
clearly if you read the posts its not because people get killed by afk people, its cos you cant tell if someone is afk or not
tbh it makes sense as to why thats something that people would want to get rid of, but it would need to be done without affecting cloaking directly so it doesnt affect anyone thats not afk.

i dunno, i've read a lot of these and there have been some good ideas that would not be game breaking. like the probe idea, that would stop people that are afk, but normal cloakers would be fine
another one i saw is a fuel bay that takes really tiny fuel and has about an hour of space, and you can move fuel from cargo to fuel bay with ease, cargo bay can hold like hundreds of hours of fuel. this way youd have to move fuel one an hour. stuff like that i think is a good thing.
all the time is stays as it is though people will continue to react the way they do to cloakers, whether thats right or wrong, whether they should man up or not, it will carry on happening, and that just makes null dead for pirating, which is bad.