EVE General Discussion

Good luck making the probe thing work. I imagine very few cloakers are going to be sitting still, waiting for some random to warp by and decloak them.

Look at your enemy's killboard. That will be useful in helping to determine their likely MO. It's not 100% but a lot of people get into a habit in their operations.

Again... AFK cloackers do not have any "impact on null". Nothing, nada, nicht, zero. Rhey have some impact only in the minds of some specific null sec players subset.

This impact they have is simply to add uncertainty and risk. And is a POSITIVE impact for the gameplay, should be pushed more. Null never been designed to be a safe farming heaven.

What you're asking for is that someone when enter in a system not only automatically declare is presence due to the region-wide intelligence from local, you also want them to declare their intentions "hello guys, I'm here to hotdrop you" and enforce e time limit for them to play in the systems.

What you are asking for is simply to remove any gameplay not based on well delimited and cconsesnual fleet fights and blobs.

Now you will say "no, trust me, is not what I want, I want more pvp occasion bla bla", is not relevant what you want in your soul, this i what your request would cause.

Geeze, you should have been in Providence when U'K was around. I don't think you'd have stayed long.

Nobody has said that AFK cloaking doesn't have an impact. It's up to YOU to decide what impact it has. You can dock up (what most do) or find a way to bait them into a trap. It's not their fault if you always choose the former.

*facepalm*

I'm not safe. In nullsec or highsec. Something could happen to decloak me. It's unlikely if I am careful about making a safe spot that is not aligned to a path that other players commonly warp between, but it is possible.

The law in nullsec is game mechanics, friend, and game mechanics allow me to cloak up and have a drink in your system while I browse the web or make a sandwich for my son. Game mechanics also allow you options to keep doing what you're doing if you see me in your system.

You could, for example, look at my character sheet and then my history on eve-kill.net to determine whether or not I am a likely threat. Do I have a history of getting caught in cyno ships? No I do not. Do I have a history of what looks like roaming around hotdropping miners? No I do not. My killboard is pretty unimpressive, in fact.

You could take one minute and determine whether your cloaky guest is a likely threat but you don't do this. Why?

Are not the AFK cloackers dropping your industry level, it's your policy to dock and stay docked if a single neutral or any remote risk is in the system. It's not any game mechanic, it's simply your own gameplay dropping your indexes.

And the current system is far too protective: when a group act so not only should drop their indexes but should also loose sovreignity.

In FW if a faction apply this "dock and stay docked policy" can loose his home system in 48 hours.

Same in any part of low sec, same in WH same everywhere.

If the reality doesn't match your corporation policies then, generally, what have to be adjusted is your corporation policy, not the realty. AFK cloackers are there only to remember you that you'ìre playing EVE and you are in 0.0.

Maybe you should ask mittens for some protection from cloaked bombers and a hug to cheer you up.

Agreed. Having to actually *gasp* do any work with the pinkish-grey crap between your ears is a broken mechanic.

Nerf brains!

Yes, and an unknown threat is still a threat. Yes you can just mine/rat with it there, but generally its safe to simply move to another system. It absolutely LUDICROUS that a player that is not even in the same building as the PC they are logged in in should command that much power. How can you not see that it's stupid to allow that? It doesn't bother me as I've said, I don't mine or rat nowadays. But I can still see that allowing an AFK player to have ANY IMPACT on the game is a badly designed mechanic.

Tippia - I am not goign to be reading or responding to any futher posts from you. As usual for your posts you keep recycling the same post over and over and its not going anywhere. AFK players DO HAVE AN IMPACT. there is NO WAY - I'll repeat that - NO WAY to tell an AFK player from a regular cloaker. That said, your posts are now ignored.

To be honest though there's simply no point to this thread any more. It's clearly filled with a bunch of people that love to AFK cloak, and you can carry on doing it all you want. It affects me to the sum of zero. Just for once having a constructive discussion on the matter might be nice, but that's a bit too much to ask from people like you clearly.

Not the OP but requesting thread closure as this will continue to loop over the exact same argument again and again until it turns into purely trolling.

A) Check my killboard. You'll find I'm quite the F1 monkey who prefers to fight in the safety of a large fleet, and though I can't guarantee you that you won't find any kills that one might surmise I was an accomplice in a covert ops ambush, generally speaking I've only been on a few magic bus ops that were directly linked to military operations against an opposing armed and vigilant fleet.

That being said, you will find quite a few kills where I was the victim of such operations, mostly in my early days. So I speak to you not as someone who typically afk cloaks while cackling and saying witty lines in his best Gary Oldman's voice impersonation, but as someone who does what the ratter does, as someone who has at least tried to do what the miner does. I've been on the frontlines on your side of the war, not theirs.

I come to you as a proud denizen of the ratter/miner union, and proud because I am capable of taking care of myself and all I want, ALL I WANT, is for my brethren to look and see that there really isn't a problem. I want them to gather strength from the very knowledge I and others have tried to pass to you and not be afraid of something that by the very definition cannot harm you, and to not be afraid to face the possibility that the afk part was mistaken. I want you to welcome the opportunity to engage anyone who would dare show his face to you, either by kicking it in yourself, or taunting him and allowing him to see his prize, only to have it escape right out from under his nose.

I want you to realize that player who refuses to show his face has no power unless you give it to him.

B) This discussion has been going on since I started playing in 08. I was once on the other side of the fence, and now I am on the other. There have been valid points brought to the table, and it's somewhat annoying to hear our points dismissed with a repeating loop logic of it's not fair that person A can be afk and hold the threat of attack over my head, but you don't care if people offer you an easy solution to deal with it that takes that threat away. We can go around in circles all day but it comes down to this: All you want is for that local column to show pure blue. If a red comes in it tells you instantly what to do. That guy will never have a chance to catch you unless you are just not paying attention. There is absolutely nothing that can be done to counter this aside from afk cloaking, and while I haven't heard too many people sign on to the idea of removing quiet people from local or cloaked ships from local, I hear a never-ending stream of ways to prevent people from skewing the perfect intel tool.

So tell me: Is it really an issue with the afk cloaker, or is it an issue where you want the best rewards at the absolute minimum risk, and while you don't think removing local is a good idea, you think it's the bee's knees to do something that removes the uncertainty of a claoked ship from system, right?

Let's not mince words over who is a care bear and who is taking what risks, simply examine why it is most people who argue to modify cloaking mechanics would not themselves argue to also modify the way local reports players. While you are honestly assessing that, take note some people accept the risk happily.

AFK miners can't go AFK for 16 hours floating around in a system and benefit from it. Plus AFK miners can still and do still get ganked.
I'm not going though explaining why most ratters and miners move on rather than fight, but needless to say, I've already stated it a few billion troll posts ago and it is because the benefit gained by staying in the same system with increased risk vs the damage taken moving to a new system makes it much easier to simply move. You can keep saying over and over (and over and over and over it seems) that its power granted by null seccers, but it doesn't change the fact that afk cloakers have an impact.


I'm not arguing to change cloak mechanics and i dont want the risk changed. I'm happy for an active cloaker to provide as much risk as he wants to. What I am saying is that the fact that an afk cloaker is indistinguishable from an active cloaker means that afk cloakers have an inherent benefit which should not be the case for an AFK player. I'm super super sorry if it makes me a carebear to think that people PLAYING EVE should actually have to PLAY EVE to partake in PvP activites. I also don't care one way or the other about local. I live in wormhole space for a considerable amount of time and the lack of local caused no issues.

I understand you are getting confused as most people against AFK cloaking state the issue is wrong with cloaking in general. If you read my actual idea, it's based around providing a way to find only AFK cloakers, giving as much ability to active cloakers to avoid detection as possible, thus trying to keep the rest of the cloaking mechanics the same.

To be honest though I care much less about this whole subject than most others, so I'm getting super bored talking about it, especially since every post I am responding to is the same post repeated 400 times over, and highlights that the poster has not been reading any other posts prior to posting.