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CCP - I'm on my knees begging for an update on Factional Warfare

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Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-11-09 23:59:58 UTC
I was very excited when 'Factional Warfare' was one of the titles in CCP Hilmar's devblog.

I have watched with excitement as the Winter Expansion feature set has grown and grown, it really looks like CCP has gone back to their roots and are delivering some great stuff.

It really is very exciting!

But Factional Warfare is the reason I log in to play everyday.

Please, please, please can we get something, just a quick sentence, from a dev to update us on whether the promised updates to Factional Warfare are:

- In the expansion, and therefore probably in a dev blog we just haven't seen yet
- Going the same way as Assualt Frigates i.e. 'we want to do something, can't squeeze it in, but will try to do something soon'
- Have been cut.

Just a little teeny response, that all I need.....

Yours grovelingly,

Uppsy Daisy
Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#2 - 2011-11-10 00:05:34 UTC
Faction Warfare = My delight

I still like the old Faction Warfare, but do think a little update would be appreciated greatly.

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Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#3 - 2011-11-10 00:07:52 UTC
It looks like there will be some FW discussion at the upcoming CSM summit. We aren't sure yet what that means, but you are not (totally) forgotten...

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Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#4 - 2011-11-10 00:15:43 UTC
Given that the majority of BFF and Papercuts stuff has not made its way to Sisi yet. or so is the rumer, besides the balancing stuff. Soundwave says his teams stuff will start to show up on Sisi soon per twitter.

As the latest sprint is just finishing up I expect to see more today or early next week becouse of the mass test later today on Sisi.

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#5 - 2011-11-10 00:35:56 UTC
One can only hope that it will be looked at seriously in the near future.


Slade
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#6 - 2011-11-10 00:43:31 UTC
Get off your knees. It's undignified. Go shoot the statue in Jita if you're after forward movement. It seems to work.

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Tefeyel
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-11-10 01:11:30 UTC
Factional warfare=carebear version of nullsec.
Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#8 - 2011-11-10 01:49:34 UTC
Tefeyel wrote:
Factional warfare=carebear version of nullsec.


Who has misinformed you like this, good Sir?

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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#9 - 2011-11-10 01:51:25 UTC
Two step wrote:
It looks like there will be some FW discussion at the upcoming CSM summit. We aren't sure yet what that means, but you are not (totally) forgotten...



  1. Does the CSM even know anything about the current FW?
  2. Does the CSM have an idea on were FW should go?
  3. Does the CSM believe FW is for "noob pvp"?
  4. Does the CSM think FW is a bridge to null?
  5. For the love of god, get ride of the mission!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#10 - 2011-11-10 01:53:58 UTC
Tefeyel wrote:
Factional warfare=carebear version of nullsec.


I was going to reply with something insulting, but I remembered Null Bears don't actually matter. Some really good skills you boys have down thier. Must be hard to get kills what with 300 men all hitting the......

I actually stopped caring here.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
Infinite Pew
#11 - 2011-11-10 03:03:04 UTC
Two step wrote:
It looks like there will be some FW discussion at the upcoming CSM summit. We aren't sure yet what that means, but you are not (totally) forgotten...


Well, that's a start... I appreciate you being a voice for us. I have a few questions in the mean time, that dont have to wait for a summit...

When is the summit?

What do you as CSM have to say about Faction Warfare? What ideas are you bringing to the table?

Is this a discussion about whether to fix FW, or how to fix FW?

We appreciate the clarification, you have to understand its been several years of one-line responses, so even like 5 or 6 lines right now would be much more than we're used to receiving. The community has poured a ton of time and effort into sharing their vision for how FW can bring greater depth to lowsec and continue to provide a rich PvP experience to EvE. I hope the CSM has an opportunity to read the appropriate threads (the largest is in general discussion, but theres also feedback in features and ideas, as well as the assembly hall) and catch up on the discussion.

Please do check in with us soon and let us know when the summit is as well as what the CSM would like to offer to the FW conversation. We're looking forward to hearing from you!

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#12 - 2011-11-10 03:17:40 UTC
CCP has no vision about FW, they do not have a coherent image of what it would be nor anyone to advocate for it on your behalf. I don't know if anyone on the CSM is a FW person, but there simply isn't a voice for FW in any place relevant to the product.

I'm sorry for you.

AG
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Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-11-10 03:20:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Har Harrison
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IF IT CONTAINS ILLEGAL CHARACTERS - DON'T REMOVE MY TEXT CCP - LET ME FIX IT


All that has happened regarding FW is that
1) CSM have said that they are talking to CCP about it and that they don't know much about it (e.g. Mittens)
2) Soundwave lobs his "remove navy" hand grenade and leaves a discussion thread raging back and forth with no further input from CCP
3) Null sec plebs continue to "explain" to FW members that they are really carebears who understand NOTHING about PvP

(tl;dr)
No fixes for FW are evident, and the closest we have are some ship rebalances (especially the Dramiel) and the addition of a PI blue print (customs office) to the FW (and Concord) LP stores...
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
Infinite Pew
#14 - 2011-11-10 05:58:00 UTC
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
CCP has no vision about FW, they do not have a coherent image of what it would be nor anyone to advocate for it on your behalf. I don't know if anyone on the CSM is a FW person, but there simply isn't a voice for FW in any place relevant to the product.

I'm sorry for you.

AG


CCP doesnt have to have a coherent vision of what FW could be....the players have been providing feedback for years now. There's many commonly proposed fixes and upgrades that could take place, without even needing a sweeping overhaul. That was the entire point of my (now) 28 page thread.

Hopefully CCP Soundwave has been reading the thread and listening to the feedback for his proposal.

There also is no excuse for the CSM to "not know much about FW" . I have personally sent them all links not only to blogs where players go into great detail about how much fun they have with FW, but also what it brings to the game in general. They also have links to all the relevant discussions currently taking place regarding simple ways to enrich a part of the game that is very relevant to many players, and keeps a good number of subscriptions active.

The only reason why the CSM and CCP shouldn't have a whole stack of items to discuss when they meet for the summit is that they have chosen to not take the time to listen to the players.

I sincerely hope this is not the case, I have a lot of respect for the CSM given what they've manage to accomplish so far. I will hold out hope until the summit that at least ONE of them has the integrity and respect for the player base to listen to the Faction Warfare community and express their ideas to CCP on upgrades and improvements.

Besides, we wouldn't even be in this thread for the umpteenth time if it weren't that both the CSM and CCP continually say "its on the table for discussion"

If you are indeed correct, and the FW has no future, than now is the time for CSM or CCP to simply say so. I think we've all said countless times, we wouldn't keep at this if we weren't being baited along by a chain of promises. All it takes is one person in the development discussions to come clean and say that its not going to happen, and we'd all stop posting and move on.

Until than, we all just care too much about this part of the game, and the portion of the EvE Community that it serves, to give up. Faction Warfare has so much untapped potential for revitalizing lowsec, and providing a strong place for sub-capital PvP to fluorish, if it were only given a little attention. The players have already shared their visions - all CSM or CCP has to do is listen.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
CCP Konflikt
Doomheim
#15 - 2011-11-10 09:57:37 UTC
No promises here.... but our team, Team Pink Zombie Kittens, is currently working on a CSM Request for Faction Warfare in this winter expansion, it's still being worked on and there's a chance we may not get to finish it this expansion but it will get done. I don't want to say what it is yet, but i hope you guys will like it, when it hits sisi. it's a small change that i hope will shake up the FW scene a little.

(I know this doesn't really say too much, but I wanted you all to know it's on our programmer's screens atm.)

CCP Konflikt Quality Assurance Engineer Team Trilambda
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#16 - 2011-11-10 10:12:18 UTC
Please tell me you at least made FW plexes spawn more than once a day Big smile
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#17 - 2011-11-10 10:12:46 UTC
CCP Konflikt wrote:
No promises here.... but our team, Team Pink Zombie Kittens, is currently working on a CSM Request for Faction Warfare in this winter expansion, it's still being worked on and there's a chance we may not get to finish it this expansion but it will get done. I don't want to say what it is yet, but i hope you guys will like it, when it hits sisi. it's a small change that i hope will shake up the FW scene a little.

(I know this doesn't really say too much, but I wanted you all to know it's on our programmer's screens atm.)


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Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-11-10 10:20:40 UTC
Now all I need is an argument between Damar/Bad Messenger and X Gallentius/Chatgris with the odd comment from Hirana Yoshida and my thread will be complete!
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2011-11-10 10:26:02 UTC
Uppsy Daisy wrote:
I was very excited when 'Factional Warfare' was one of the titles in CCP Hilmar's devblog.

I have watched with excitement as the Winter Expansion feature set has grown and grown, it really looks like CCP has gone back to their roots and are delivering some great stuff.

It really is very exciting!

But Factional Warfare is the reason I log in to play everyday.

Please, please, please can we get something, just a quick sentence, from a dev to update us on whether the promised updates to Factional Warfare are:

- In the expansion, and therefore probably in a dev blog we just haven't seen yet
- Going the same way as Assualt Frigates i.e. 'we want to do something, can't squeeze it in, but will try to do something soon'
- Have been cut.

Just a little teeny response, that all I need.....

Yours grovelingly,

Uppsy Daisy



Let me ask you a question, not at all intended to be trolling but a sincere inquiry. If you and other people are still so devoted to Factional Warfare to such an extent that it is "the reason I log in to play everyday," then what evidence is there to present to CCP that something needs to be done about it with regards to assigning development resources? Keep in mind that CCP, hf is a relatively small game company and that they have a finite number of employees working finite hours on specific projects. If you are happy with Factional Warfare, then this sends the message that the present content is sufficient. If your goal is to get more content added to it, then wouldn't it be more beneficial for you to extol how lacking in content it is? While it may be true that no one enjoys someone who constantly complains, it is also true that a complete lack of complaint is synonymous to silent endorsement.

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Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#20 - 2011-11-10 10:27:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciar Meara
CCP Konflikt wrote:
No promises here.... but our team, Team Pink Zombie Kittens, is currently working on a CSM Request for Faction Warfare in this winter expansion, it's still being worked on and there's a chance we may not get to finish it this expansion but it will get done. I don't want to say what it is yet, but i hope you guys will like it, when it hits sisi. it's a small change that i hope will shake up the FW scene a little.

(I know this doesn't really say too much, but I wanted you all to know it's on our programmer's screens atm.)


Aha! A small chance for FW with a change that will hit the FW scene. Good to hear some programming is going on! But will these renegade band of rebels pull it off? With the help of some zombies the just might.

Now we can commence the speculation on what exactly will be done.

- No more NPC shooting you in empire?
- No more docking in enemy stations?
- something else?

My speculation is the no more docking in enemy stations. Since I like that idea the best and would shake up FW.

also: knees :)

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