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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#201 - 2013-07-20 08:45:03 UTC
Uma D wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Uma D wrote:
Good luck trying to get blue standings to my alliance without paying billions of ISK to us.



You know soontohaveyourstuff is in an NPC corp, right?

You seem a little angry. Why does the idea of PVP out in your little nullsec pocket scare you so much?


Sry, to disappoint you, but I only ever undock in 0.0 to shoot ppl.... come to 0.0 go ahead....



Then why are you not in VFK shooting people?

Is is because your overlords tell you who you are allowed to shoot?

Hey Harry, looks like nullsec was already nerfed. That's why they are crying in these forums.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
CanI haveyourstuff
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#202 - 2013-07-20 08:49:51 UTC  |  Edited by: CanI haveyourstuff
Uma D wrote:
What does solo and small gang pvp have to do with the imbalance of ways to make money in different sec areas? care to explain?


Do you lie to yourself often? or all the time so you actually cant make any difference about it anymore?


All that hisec too profitable tears end up actually being null dwellers (like myself) QQ-ing about how boring it is in null and pvp in general. The sole reason behind that is to hope this magical hisec nerf makes 0.0 lucrative to Bear so they'll maybe try to wonder into 0.0 and AHA!!! more targets for us to shoot at.


why would you even care about how much money someone makes in hisec running incursions or missions if this is not the reason? Do they ruin anything for you?

just because you choose to live in 0.0 and do pvp or whats the point?


edit: also havent you thought about that most hisec Bear chars are just feeding main chars in 0.0 so they could pvp at all?
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#203 - 2013-07-20 09:02:39 UTC
Julius Priscus wrote:
Bill Overbeck wrote:
I don't understand all this hate. Especially when it seems most of sov null sec seems to be high sec but with players as Concord. And it changes hands every once in a while.


when someone can happily make more isk in high sec than null/low sec... something is not right.

I know for a fact one can make a easy 1-3+b isk a week in high sec. yes I know possible to do that in null as well.

imo.. make al combat missions in high sec anti-faction missions. if you want bounties goto low/null sec for it.



can you make more isk in highsec thro running missions >>> No.
Can you make more thro mining. in highsec >>>>> No.
Can You make more thro PI. Not sure. i dont do PI lol.

Can you make more thro manufactureing and trade. Yes.

Nullsec is the place to be for isk makeing. And mining. < alot safer mining in null then it is in HS.

Your obviously on drugs if you say you make more isk. In HS thro mission running and Mining in HS.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#204 - 2013-07-20 09:09:28 UTC
destiny wrote:


Your obviously on drugs if you say you make more isk. In HS thro mission running and Mining in HS.


You can make around the same as in anoms.
Uma D
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#205 - 2013-07-20 09:35:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Uma D
CanI haveyourstuff wrote:
Uma D wrote:
What does solo and small gang pvp have to do with the imbalance of ways to make money in different sec areas? care to explain?



edit: also havent you thought about that most hisec Bear chars are just feeding main chars in 0.0 so they could pvp at all?


And you do not see whats wrong in that picture do you?

And what do you think where i am making my ISK?... litlle hint.. not in 0.0...... a nerf to high sec would hurt my own income a lot as well.. but just because I profit from it, it does not mean that the system is not flawed.
CanI haveyourstuff
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#206 - 2013-07-20 18:52:53 UTC
Uma D wrote:
CanI haveyourstuff wrote:
Uma D wrote:
What does solo and small gang pvp have to do with the imbalance of ways to make money in different sec areas? care to explain?



edit: also havent you thought about that most hisec Bear chars are just feeding main chars in 0.0 so they could pvp at all?


And you do not see whats wrong in that picture do you?

And what do you think where i am making my ISK?... litlle hint.. not in 0.0...... a nerf to high sec would hurt my own income a lot as well.. but just because I profit from it, it does not mean that the system is not flawed.



why it is flawed at all? who told you this? you just follow some morons who yell around that everything is broken in eve and eve is going to die tomorrow?

there's nothing wrong having many accounts and feeding pvp char... people can do much bigger variety of stuff in game which makes them happy, also CCP likes it.

dont fix what aint broken, really.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#207 - 2013-07-20 21:38:28 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


Harry and his crew out there in VFK are making an impact. People can argue this is a gnat on an elephant, but is an irritated elephant something to disregard?



That was literally the funniest thing I have read on these boards in many, many, moons.

Making an impact ROFL. Yeah ok.
Julius Priscus
#208 - 2013-07-20 21:41:24 UTC
destiny2 wrote:
Julius Priscus wrote:
Bill Overbeck wrote:
I don't understand all this hate. Especially when it seems most of sov null sec seems to be high sec but with players as Concord. And it changes hands every once in a while.


when someone can happily make more isk in high sec than null/low sec... something is not right.

I know for a fact one can make a easy 1-3+b isk a week in high sec. yes I know possible to do that in null as well.

imo.. make al combat missions in high sec anti-faction missions. if you want bounties goto low/null sec for it.



can you make more isk in highsec thro running missions >>> No.
Can you make more thro mining. in highsec >>>>> No.
Can You make more thro PI. Not sure. i dont do PI lol.

Can you make more thro manufactureing and trade. Yes.

Nullsec is the place to be for isk makeing. And mining. < alot safer mining in null then it is in HS.

Your obviously on drugs if you say you make more isk. In HS thro mission running and Mining in HS.



actually I can make a easy 3+b isk a week if I have no job just in high sec. then there is loot sales and salvage ontop.
Daniel Jackson
Universal Exos
#209 - 2013-07-20 21:42:00 UTC
Julius Priscus wrote:
Bill Overbeck wrote:
I don't understand all this hate. Especially when it seems most of sov null sec seems to be high sec but with players as Concord. And it changes hands every once in a while.


when someone can happily make more isk in high sec than null/low sec... something is not right.

I know for a fact one can make a easy 1-3+b isk a week in high sec. yes I know possible to do that in null as well.

imo.. make al combat missions in high sec anti-faction missions. if you want bounties goto low/null sec for it.

the thing is, you SHOULD make more money in citys (highsec) rather then in the country (null sec) cause thats how real life is

I Vote YES! for Downloadable HI-RES Textures!!!!
Patrakele
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#210 - 2013-07-20 21:43:02 UTC
Too many subs etc. Time to cut down on player numbers.

If you think this will drive players into low sec you are delusional.
Alexis Humphrey
Tamplanet Inc
#211 - 2013-07-20 21:46:11 UTC
Julius Priscus wrote:
destiny2 wrote:
Julius Priscus wrote:
Bill Overbeck wrote:
I don't understand all this hate. Especially when it seems most of sov null sec seems to be high sec but with players as Concord. And it changes hands every once in a while.


when someone can happily make more isk in high sec than null/low sec... something is not right.

I know for a fact one can make a easy 1-3+b isk a week in high sec. yes I know possible to do that in null as well.

imo.. make al combat missions in high sec anti-faction missions. if you want bounties goto low/null sec for it.



can you make more isk in highsec thro running missions >>> No.
Can you make more thro mining. in highsec >>>>> No.
Can You make more thro PI. Not sure. i dont do PI lol.

Can you make more thro manufactureing and trade. Yes.

Nullsec is the place to be for isk makeing. And mining. < alot safer mining in null then it is in HS.

Your obviously on drugs if you say you make more isk. In HS thro mission running and Mining in HS.



actually I can make a easy 3+b isk a week if I have no job just in high sec. then there is loot sales and salvage ontop.


3B a week is nothing. If you're in a nullsec alliance and you attend every fleet and CTA with proper ships that ISK is GONE and then some.
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#212 - 2013-07-20 21:53:56 UTC
Daniel Jackson wrote:
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the thing is, you SHOULD make more money in citys (highsec) rather then in the country (null sec) cause thats how real life is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de3fl3IvtyE

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Daniel Jackson
Universal Exos
#213 - 2013-07-20 21:57:15 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
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the thing is, you SHOULD make more money in citys (highsec) rather then in the country (null sec) cause thats how real life is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de3fl3IvtyE

yes im serious, null sec are like third world countrys while highsec are super powers and as a super power nation people naturaly make more money in them

I Vote YES! for Downloadable HI-RES Textures!!!!
Arec Bardwin
#214 - 2013-07-20 22:40:04 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
SmokinDank wrote:

The original owner of this character was a lot cooler What?

Lol. I don't buy or sell my characters in any game. If I ever decide to dispose of Infinity or any of my other characters they will be biomassed.
But didn't you biomass that char though? I seem to remember some ragequit drama where you supposedly biomassed. Did CCP manage to revive that toon again? If so; lucky you P
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#215 - 2013-07-20 23:36:01 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Someone mentioned that the players who are skewed too far toward being risk averse, will always stay in highsec, even if you offered them triple the reward at only double the risk, etc.

That's why you FORCE them to accept it. They truly do not know what is in their own best interest. If they don't want to accept risk, there are plenty of people who will happily bring the risk to them (and people like me, who will pay to make sure it happens), which is why highsec ganking is a thing.

Being so absurdly risk averse like a lot of the highsec crowd are is playing the game wrong. That's it. There will be no Felucca and Trammel in New Eden, whether they like it or not. This isn't a single player game, and you'll never be immune to other people. If they don't like it, then they can go fit some guns and come kill me for it.

Either way, we win.

i disagree, there's no playing the game wrong

talk like this provokes the crazies who think talks of nerfs are part of some vendetta against people who like living in highsec, or who think there's some giant nullsec conspiracy to manipulate their play

although playing the game safe under NPC corps, NPC station services and CONCORD isn't wrong in any way, and shouldn't be unprofitable, it shouldn't be the best way to play the game

and there are parts of the game where 'do it in highsec on an alt' are flat better than doing it any other way, which means everyone sane does it that way, which sadly removes a lot of opportunity for real gameplay and player interaction, in my view


There is no one wrong way to play in EVE, but believe me, plenty of people are playing the game wrong. It's a subtle distinction, but it's there.

Petitioning when your auto-piloting freighter gets ganked? That's playing the game wrong. Complaining about bumping? That's playing the game wrong. Sitting in the same station in Rens for days on end yelling at the scammers? That is playing the game wrong.

And, I do have a vendetta against "highsec", and by that I mean the kind of players who endlessly whine about being ganked by the people who actually play the game.

But you are right about this: Highsec super safety shouldn't be the best way to play the game. It currently is, in a lot of ways. Which is why people like myself make it our business to upset their applecart. Because it's wrong, and they are too.

NPC corps in particular should be a lot less attractive to non-newbies.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Julius Priscus
#216 - 2013-07-21 01:33:44 UTC
Daniel Jackson wrote:
Julius Priscus wrote:
Bill Overbeck wrote:
I don't understand all this hate. Especially when it seems most of sov null sec seems to be high sec but with players as Concord. And it changes hands every once in a while.


when someone can happily make more isk in high sec than null/low sec... something is not right.

I know for a fact one can make a easy 1-3+b isk a week in high sec. yes I know possible to do that in null as well.

imo.. make al combat missions in high sec anti-faction missions. if you want bounties goto low/null sec for it.

the thing is, you SHOULD make more money in citys (highsec) rather then in the country (null sec) cause thats how real life is



the country aint null sec dumbass thast just really low high sec.. Somalia would be null sec... and similar places I could mention but I wont...
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#217 - 2013-07-21 02:09:36 UTC
Alexis Humphrey wrote:
Julius Priscus wrote:
destiny2 wrote:
Julius Priscus wrote:
Bill Overbeck wrote:
I don't understand all this hate. Especially when it seems most of sov null sec seems to be high sec but with players as Concord. And it changes hands every once in a while.


when someone can happily make more isk in high sec than null/low sec... something is not right.

I know for a fact one can make a easy 1-3+b isk a week in high sec. yes I know possible to do that in null as well.

imo.. make al combat missions in high sec anti-faction missions. if you want bounties goto low/null sec for it.



can you make more isk in highsec thro running missions >>> No.
Can you make more thro mining. in highsec >>>>> No.
Can You make more thro PI. Not sure. i dont do PI lol.

Can you make more thro manufactureing and trade. Yes.

Nullsec is the place to be for isk makeing. And mining. < alot safer mining in null then it is in HS.

Your obviously on drugs if you say you make more isk. In HS thro mission running and Mining in HS.



actually I can make a easy 3+b isk a week if I have no job just in high sec. then there is loot sales and salvage ontop.


3B a week is nothing. If you're in a nullsec alliance and you attend every fleet and CTA with proper ships that ISK is GONE and then some.



Would you provide more details on how and why that is, please?

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#218 - 2013-07-21 03:18:27 UTC
Daniel Jackson wrote:
yes im serious, null sec are like third world countrys while highsec are super powers and as a super power nation people naturaly make more money in them


yes and in those "superpower nations" you tend to be taxed heavily

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Julius Priscus
#219 - 2013-07-21 03:21:53 UTC
Andski wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
yes im serious, null sec are like third world countrys while highsec are super powers and as a super power nation people naturaly make more money in them


yes and in those "superpower nations" you tend to be taxed heavily



15% aint that much tbh...

I know of many pilots in high sec who hates corp that even charge 1% tax. they are the leeches of eve and only in it for them selves.
bloodknight2
Revenu.Quebec
#220 - 2013-07-21 04:41:09 UTC
Nullbears want to nerf hi sec because they think all carebears are making billions every day running incursion in their officer fit machariel or mission/ mine AFK