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Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#201 - 2013-07-19 17:58:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Goldiiee
Evei Shard wrote:
So your method is something like...

1. warp in
2. jump 100km
3. drop drones
4. pop rats till they get too close
5. recover drones
5,a. Jump back to gate
5,b. Wait for 3 minutes to prevent getting killed in next room
6. jump
7. rinse repeat
8. profit.
8,a. Spend ISK on a Mach when skills are complete.
9. Profit
10. get trolled in forums by new 'Know it all's' that have a bad idea and wont let it go.

?

Fixed that for you. Big smile

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#202 - 2013-07-19 18:03:26 UTC
I've not yet been in a mission where I have had to MJD off gate immediately to avoid damage
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#203 - 2013-07-19 19:28:18 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I've not yet been in a mission where I have had to MJD off gate immediately to avoid damage


Your problem is that you do missions in Caldari space.

Also, using four 1200s to kill a frigate?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#204 - 2013-07-19 19:32:26 UTC
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I've not yet been in a mission where I have had to MJD off gate immediately to avoid damage


Your problem is that you do missions in Caldari space.

Also, using four 1200s to kill a frigate?


I mission in Caldari space? Thanks for informing me.

And no I group them in 2x2
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#205 - 2013-07-19 19:41:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
Quote:
YOU dont use sentry drones because you don't know their capabilities. They aren't just there to blap a couple of frigs, they can contribute to your dps out to 100km as well. Clearly not EVERYONE uses light and salvage drones because I am one person who does not (well I do have a flight of lights in my domi but they rarely see any use).


And this is why you fail. When People use them in a Mach you say they suck. But you've never used one. Then when I use them in a Domi you tell me that I am doing it wrong. Then ask for me to waste my time making videos that already exist, but refuse to make videos of your miracle Domi. And then in the ISK/hr thread, you call me a liar for making as much ISK as you would be if your Domi was as good as you say it is.

Fanboism hurts everyone.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#206 - 2013-07-19 19:46:42 UTC
I'm so confused by your post

use what in a mach?

use what in a domi?

What videos?
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#207 - 2013-07-19 20:01:58 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I'm so confused by your post

use what in a mach?

use what in a domi?

What videos?


Of course you are confused. It's a logical rebuttal to what you have posted in this thread.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#208 - 2013-07-19 20:04:50 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I'm so confused by your post

use what in a mach?

use what in a domi?

What videos?


Of course you are confused. It's a logical rebuttal to what you have posted in this thread.


Well it doesn't help when you don't answer a few simple questions =S, I'm only mortal I can't recall every piece of information from every thread to reply to you.

I don't like to assume so I regularly ask people to clarify what they're talking about.
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#209 - 2013-07-19 20:38:00 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
use what in a mach?


Sentries. It's a high dps gun boat used by Minmatar pilots.

Quote:
use what in a domi?


Sentries. It's a high dps drone boat used by Gallente pilots.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#210 - 2013-07-19 20:54:29 UTC
Right, well I said one time I didn't "think" using sentries in a (fairly) short range ship that had to fly about everywhere was a smart idea since inevitably you will have to fly back to collect them.

Not sure about the comment about using sentries in a domi, i think I'm just interpreting that wrong.
CanI haveyourstuff
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#211 - 2013-07-19 22:44:40 UTC
all in all and in the end of the day: rni golem mach nm just own missions.

it is just that simple, you can MJD yourself from caldari state to eve gate if you will - it just sucks.

there is nothing faster or better than entering pocket tanking like "I DONT GIVE A ****" and mission done...

dominix+mjd itself takse 10+ seconds time in beginning of mission ++ that more thousand seconds of micromanage and slowboat, call in sentrys etc or wait npc to get in range time... oh man.


just skill some 700 ish dps t1 rni and try it out... it will be better than your dominig, i promise.


also... ppl like to do lvl4-s.. incursions take time, you have to get in fleet etc.. if you are in one, it's not polite to leave as you will.. you'll be there at least 4-5+ sites, which takes time. joining and leaving only gets you into shitlist for FC-s etc. therefore many people like to do lvl4-s instead.
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#212 - 2013-07-19 23:45:05 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I've not yet been in a mission where I have had to MJD off gate immediately to avoid damage



http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=Assault4gu

The web/scramble frigates are 25km from the warp in point, and there is plenty of missile dps with the first aggro. I used the MJD and still wound up having to warp out due to hitting the trigger BS out of sequence.

So far, now that I understand the mechanics of how to use it, it has performed well on a few missions, but The Assault is an example of a level 4 where getting a Domi like this one out of the fray upon warp-in would be important. Fortunately it takes longer than 8 seconds for the frigates to decide to scramble, otherwise the MJD would be useless in that situation.

Again, outside of that incident, the fit does perform decently, but that's only a sampling of 4 different missions so far.

Profit favors the prepared

Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#213 - 2013-07-19 23:58:34 UTC
Evei Shard wrote:
Fortunately it takes longer than 8 seconds for the frigates to decide to scramble, otherwise the MJD would be useless in that situation.

As far as I know, no NPCs actually use scrams... just disruptors. You'll still be able to use the MJD even if they catch you.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#214 - 2013-07-20 00:21:07 UTC
Evei Shard wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I've not yet been in a mission where I have had to MJD off gate immediately to avoid damage



http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=Assault4gu

The web/scramble frigates are 25km from the warp in point, and there is plenty of missile dps with the first aggro. I used the MJD and still wound up having to warp out due to hitting the trigger BS out of sequence.

So far, now that I understand the mechanics of how to use it, it has performed well on a few missions, but The Assault is an example of a level 4 where getting a Domi like this one out of the fray upon warp-in would be important. Fortunately it takes longer than 8 seconds for the frigates to decide to scramble, otherwise the MJD would be useless in that situation.

Again, outside of that incident, the fit does perform decently, but that's only a sampling of 4 different missions so far.


NPCs do not scram, MJD will not be affected.

I haven't done a guristas assault but i've done plenty of serpentis ones and I spend most of the time damped to 30km targeting range, i just set drones on aggressive and let them go ham.

Also are you sitting completely still in your domi? Even orbiting your sentries at 100m/s will negate a lot of dps.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#215 - 2013-07-20 01:41:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
Evei Shard wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I've not yet been in a mission where I have had to MJD off gate immediately to avoid damage



http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=Assault4gu

The web/scramble frigates are 25km from the warp in point, and there is plenty of missile dps with the first aggro. I used the MJD and still wound up having to warp out due to hitting the trigger BS out of sequence.

So far, now that I understand the mechanics of how to use it, it has performed well on a few missions, but The Assault is an example of a level 4 where getting a Domi like this one out of the fray upon warp-in would be important. Fortunately it takes longer than 8 seconds for the frigates to decide to scramble, otherwise the MJD would be useless in that situation.

Again, outside of that incident, the fit does perform decently, but that's only a sampling of 4 different missions so far.


I've done the mission 3 times with a domi and no MJD. Deploy sentries, kill frigates first. This is the turret and sentry boat mantra and in this mission it works perfectly, you will not be scrammed, and you will not need to put your big damage drones away.

With the fit I have on my amarr mission runner at the time (before the patch where omnis were critical) was necessary to kite the trigger for 7kms to avoid running out of cap boosters later in the mission. This is not necessary on my current fits, as the domi has 4 midslots for various applied damage tools (and its now worth having the control range rig due to the overall drone range on the ship). For this mission my current loadout would be 1x omni, 2xeccm, 1x sebo, and a cap booster, and I would thus expect to essentially do theory damage from start to finish, not jammed, guns and drones always firing.
CanI haveyourstuff
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#216 - 2013-07-20 05:22:16 UTC
Zor'katar wrote:
Evei Shard wrote:
Fortunately it takes longer than 8 seconds for the frigates to decide to scramble, otherwise the MJD would be useless in that situation.

As far as I know, no NPCs actually use scrams... just disruptors. You'll still be able to use the MJD even if they catch you.


+1

dem NPC dont know how to fit properly :D
duglas Luven
Hell Forge Industries
#217 - 2013-07-20 05:45:02 UTC
Ellon JTC wrote:
Bastion Arzi wrote:
pirate faction BS are the best. machariel, vindi, nightmare and rattlesnake i believe


l0rd carlos wrote:
Machariel is still one of the best.
Thanks to MWD and Falloff bonus it has a nice damage projection.

Cruise missiles boats are catching up though, of they haven't done it already.


Actually I've heard battle cruisers are faster at running the level4s, because battle ships use large guns and its hard for the large guns to take down the smaller targets.


Battle ships do use large guns, but with a tracting computer and the script to go with it you can boost that. Also pay attention to your transversal velocity and pick your tragets accordingly and use drones for when the smalls get in too close you can handle it just fine. lvl 4's require some pilot skill not just having an ubber fit.
duglas Luven
Hell Forge Industries
#218 - 2013-07-20 05:46:53 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Evei Shard wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I've not yet been in a mission where I have had to MJD off gate immediately to avoid damage



http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=Assault4gu

The web/scramble frigates are 25km from the warp in point, and there is plenty of missile dps with the first aggro. I used the MJD and still wound up having to warp out due to hitting the trigger BS out of sequence.

So far, now that I understand the mechanics of how to use it, it has performed well on a few missions, but The Assault is an example of a level 4 where getting a Domi like this one out of the fray upon warp-in would be important. Fortunately it takes longer than 8 seconds for the frigates to decide to scramble, otherwise the MJD would be useless in that situation.

Again, outside of that incident, the fit does perform decently, but that's only a sampling of 4 different missions so far.


I've done the mission 3 times with a domi and no MJD. Deploy sentries, kill frigates first. This is the turret and sentry boat mantra and in this mission it works perfectly, you will not be scrammed, and you will not need to put your big damage drones away.

With the fit I have on my amarr mission runner at the time (before the patch where omnis were critical) was necessary to kite the trigger for 7kms to avoid running out of cap boosters later in the mission. This is not necessary on my current fits, as the domi has 4 midslots for various applied damage tools (and its now worth having the control range rig due to the overall drone range on the ship). For this mission my current loadout would be 1x omni, 2xeccm, 1x sebo, and a cap booster, and I would thus expect to essentially do theory damage from start to finish, not jammed, guns and drones always firing.



I use the MJD in Recon 2 of 3 just to get to the acc gate faster. other than that the MJD is not on my ship.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#219 - 2013-07-20 06:02:28 UTC
Quote:
I haven't done a guristas assault but i've done plenty of serpentis ones and I spend most of the time damped to 30km targeting range, i just set drones on aggressive and let them go ham.


So just wondering how your Domi completes that faster than my Mach, when my mach easily fits 2 SEBO's and spends exactly zero seconds of that mission jammed? You don't use guns at all?

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#220 - 2013-07-20 08:04:32 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
So just wondering how your Domi completes that faster than my Mach, when my mach easily fits 2 SEBO's and spends exactly zero seconds of that mission jammed? You don't use guns at all?


He uses four 1200s to kill frigates that get too close.