Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It is viable?

You just rely on the market more than I do. Or other corp members or whatever your method is of getting ships and items and isk.

The point I was trying to make was that I was full carebear because of my experience in the past with PvP. Now, still carebear but I am involved with PvP quite a bit and I love it. I choose to participate in PvP, not forced.

I always thought of it as a more loose term for someone who basically spends the majority of their time in High-sec, not shooting other players. My bad, maybe Carebear means something different to us all .



Yeah I see what you were saying, I just get frustrated because it seems I'm the only one in New Eden without at least a second account lol. I don't think it should be a prerequisite to do certain activities.

I also don't think PvP is viable for me to do it often honestly. Especially since I can only play maybe 5-7 hours a week. PvP doesn't seem like a very casual activity. I feel like I'm the only one who cant dedicate their life to EvE apparently .

Yeah I'm basically in the same boat. More thinking about EvE then actual play time. Yay for sitting at a computer all day!

Just pointing out Combat is merely a subset of PvP. People in Eve already PvP in almost everything they do.

I think the easiest way to get noobies and bears into pvp is if you can get them into a sov holding alliance, nothing extreme like a pvp dedicated one, at first just one where they will be called upon to join Home Defense Fleets, Call To Arm's, and Strat Ops, try to hold them off the 6 hour fleets untill you feel they are ready to graduate

Fair Enough. those 6 hour fleets don't happen often, alot of fleets last like 2 hours, maybe give or take some

Pretty much nailed it...

Every time these threads come about, you hear the same things.

1. Move lvl 4s to low sec......as per lvl 5, but this would only seem to benefit gankers but wouldn't.

Result, some more PvE-ers move to null sec, some do lvl 3s, some leave the game, 0 move to low sec.

2. Get rid of local intel, local intel has been hated by gankers and complained about since the start of eve.

Result, eve online descends into an apocalypse of gankers running amok hot dropping every single null sec miner and complex runner in the game. PvE plays leave game, eve gets left with the same subscriber base as DUST.

3. Get rid of the PvE side of the game.

Same result as point 2

Lets look at what can be done.

Give battleships better defense against gankers, this has been done, omni tanks are now easy, MJDs and a variety of other modals have been put into the game making it easy for a PvE battleship to get away from PvP ganking tards.

Result, been implemented, Less people in sov type null sec loose ships

Set up a system of rules that friendly to all new miners, industrialists and PvE players so they can live and explore null sec and be defended by the sov holders of that area of space

Already been done, called NRDS

Create jump bridges with PoS bubbles around them that can't be camped so people don't have to risk getting stuck in a gate camp.

Already been done, works well.

Make missions more like pvp.

Already done, it's called Incursions, happens in high sec, low and null.

Make mining in lower security more rewarding

Already done, null sec mining in sov space is great.


What all this really proves, PvP gankers are the real carebears of this game, always complaining about a lack of targets and how scary it is being in a hostile system because people can see that they are there. PvE players don't like being ganked, they don't find being ganked rewarding, however they do learn from it, they learn that most gankers are tards who have no clue what they are doing and they learn how not to loose ships to them, thus making the gankers complain more.

Nailed it! Is it that are fewer PvP players, or perhaps most have evolved past the point of being easily ganked or gate-camped? I think the latter. So basically PvP'ers are looking for new game mechanics to give them easier marks...



But then what would the PvP carebears have to whine about?

Admittedly, I still don't understand how to work many of the mechanics that EVE has, and on that note, my humble opinions:

PVP is a net isk and time sink. Stuff is destroyed forever, effort of days/weeks/months work can be unraveled by a determined player, spy, or suicide ganker. In order to replace it, we have to do (mostly) non-pvp related activities. If you pick missions, you have to really do L4's, which means months of training to get into a decent fit battleship, so even if you just joined to do frig combats all day, you can't make frigs pay for themselves, as L1/L2 missions are too much of a time sink to keep replacing them.

Most people I have met so far that make isk faster then they can explode it, are 5+ year old players. I'm still struggling - after logging on casually, while skilling up for a year - to get a personal stable economy going, using alts for missions to fund market activity, in order to keep this toon, right here, in future pvp fights, and yes, I'm doing a bad job, because after said year, the "don't fly what you can't afford to lose" means I'll be sticking to T1 frigs/fits, considering how easy it is to zig instead of zag, and get them exploded. In hindsight, would of been easier to spend an entire year maxing a Rifter, then just throw PLEX'es in and go look for fights.

I had (originally) expected to see mechanics in EVE that catered to playing "tiers". You want to stick to low end ships, then low end activities like L1's, or hisec exploration etc, would fund it, but L1's pay out maybe 2 mill an hour, and a T1-T2 fitted frig will usually be what, 5+ mill? You seriously expect the new players to grind multiple hours for 5-10 minutes of combat? And that's assuming they survive 2/3 times.

You have to play EVE for the long haul (and god am I trying) but most kids these days with 400 Steam games, have a rather short game attention span, so we have the current situation, with some people always hungry for blood that will kill anything that flies by and complain they don't have enough targets, and people that are trying to quietly make money, and avoid pvp, because in most cases every loss they incur when say a freighter or T2 mining ship explodes is basically the same as telling them "You know all those hours you spent playing this game last week? Well, pretend it never happened", of course they cry, It's like you just wiped their favorite Minecraft save game.

You all wanted EVE to be harsh, and it's what we have, heck, that's why I finally started playing, but quit complaining about players that don't enjoy having a sandcastle they spent an entire day putting up being kicked over, simply because you enjoy doing the kicking.

I hear the Russian players are sorta like a giant hornet nest. Go kick those.