EVE General Discussion

…much like a docked player or anyone in a suitably fast ship. In fact, the guy in the station will most likely be able to completely move out of the area without anyone ever being given a chance to touch him, unlike the cloaker. So it's not a fact that only cloakers have 100% immunity to combat (or even that they're the only ones who can control the where and when of an attack).

No. Just actual facts. I like how you've now added moving the goalposts to your list of fallacies. Shall we see how many you can rack up? That's always a fun sport…

…and yet you haven't been able to figure out some very simple facts about the place, and you keep making wildly inaccurate assertions about activities you don't even engage in. One would think that if you had been around for that long, actual experience would be worth something to you…

If you believe this, then you will never stop being wrong. It explains a lot about your other posts that I've seen too.


It sounds like a cowardly over-reaction to a single player in a frigate, to me.



Self vicitimization at it's finest. You portray yourself as a victim of this one red in system (although we both know, much of the time, it's a neutral), in hopes of getting some kind of emotional response, hopefully leading to enough of a pity-gasm that the mechanic you wring your hands over so much is changed.

Get this. Like I tried to tell you, you are responsible for your decision to leave in the face of a single player in a frigate. You. Not the guy who is afk in that system, not the people paying him to stay there, and not Santa Claus. You. The repercussions belong to you alone. And you don't like that.

Too bad.

Frigates? Most common in my experience is Rapier, Loki, ships like that. Others are possible. Not frigates, no.



I have no idea what you're wittering on about. Stick to the subject.



Again, in my experience the "single player frigate" isn't the most common. I get the impression you have an opinion about something you know little about.

So you'll keep repeating yourself to me, then, since that's not what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to explain to you that your “fact” is fiction and that you're overlooking a number of different situations that share the same characteristic. However, it would actually be better if you didn't repeat yourself since repeating a false claim doesn't suddenly make it true.

…much like how cloaked players are at the mercy of uncloaked ones: as soon as they uncloak (= undock), they can be blown up. The main difference is that the docked player can leave the system and come in from behind without anyone being given a chance to stop him, whereas the cloaker generally have to make use of various chokepoints to get out.

You can try to race them, yes. Catching up is… not necessarily doable, depending on what they're doing.

…and the one in a station since you have no control over him, and there's no telling what he'll actually show up in (or from where). He can do all the things a cloaker can do, so if the cloaker is a threat, then so is the docked player.

True enough. Your claims were incorrect from the get-go, and piling on fallacies won't suddenly make them correct. That's rather the point of fallacies…

Cuz cloaks get trapped in revolving doors and you get shot.

You can repeat things as often as you like, it does not make them true. Except for #9. I do in fact laugh at people who stumble over themselves to avoid a player who is ostensibly afk.

If he is afk, then he is no threat.

If he is not afk, then he is legitimately stalking you.

Either way, there is no problem. You can attempt to palm off responsibility for your reaction to him as much as you like, but your actions are yours. He did something, you react to it. You hate how you chose to react, so you'd prefer to have his ability to do that something removed.

What a crybaby.

Yes, I can, because I'm right.



Again, you fail at reading comprehension.

Oh, you need an out-gate to engage your cloak at a safe spot now, do you? It's not possible to have a return covert cyno for hot dropping players to exit systems, is it?

Are you playing some new patch on SiSi?

You were the one that implied that in order to hot drop someone, your friends needed to wait on the outgate of the surrounding systems. Or did you mean something else? And do you mean now that the hot droppers will magically cyno in, destroy you and immediately cyno out? Oh dear.

FYI, the magic bus is a tasty target and will be vulnerable for a bit when he bridges in. Without him his friends will not be hopping to their escape cyno. Perhaps you can piece together how to nab a rather expensive T2 battleship with this knowledge.

You're in a system in null to mine or rat or do PI or whatever. Don't you make a small network of safe spots and gate tacticals before you even get started? It only takes a few minutes.

If there's a cloaky person in system with you, just be more aware, stay aligned to a safe, keep d-scan open and hit it frequently and if said cloaky suddenly de-cloaks and appears on grid with you, then you can be warping to the safe before there's time for them to do much of anything.

Am I oversimplifying here? I actually got pwnzored by a hotdrop last night - the first time I've seen one, in fact. I was the only one in my group who didn't get away and it was because I wasn't aligned to a safe and I got caught in the edge of our interdictor bubble. I will add that there was ample time to have gotten away between the ship's decloaking and when the cyno was lit had we been miners or otherwise the type of player who had no reason at all to stick around after the ship decloaked

Sure, all of this might be a little bit of extra work ( learning how to make safe spots and gate tacticals, and then taking the time to make them for the systems you use), and then having to be extra aware and keep your d-scan window open if there's an unknown +1 in your system - I'm sure that's nerve-wracking. But am I missing anything else? Is there any other reason why you guys can't go about your business with a cloaky around?

Please tell me what I'm missing.