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Is the guessing of a password on Eveboard illegal?

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Jorden Ishonen
Doomheim
#101 - 2013-07-19 15:22:31 UTC
You dun goofed, RoCkEt X. They know who it's coming from, because they back-traced it. You have been reported to the Cyber Police, and the State Police. And if you guess one more password, you'll be arrested.


Consequences....will never be the same.
theelusiveyoda
Death Troopers
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#102 - 2013-07-19 15:28:45 UTC
Alot of people seem to be basing there opinion on the fact that the api was accessed via guessing the password,
it wasn't the data that the API provides was shown on the page not the API not the account details or login details.

So saying that the api was accessed without permission is wrong because it WAS NOT ACCESSED, only the data it provides was accessed which the player Chose to be shown on eve board.

Things to learn here:

1) Don't Use 1234 as a password on eve board (ESPECIALLY IF YOUR IN A SUPER CARRIER OR TITAN)
2) Don't Log off a titan like a ****** without safe log off
3) Everyone thinks they are expert lawyers
4) Everyone thinks everyone else is wrong even when they are wrong
5) The rage in this thread makes me laugh so hard it took me about 20 mins to write this reply.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#103 - 2013-07-19 15:28:54 UTC
Aylanaa wrote:
So this RoCkEt X guessed Mino IV's password on Eveboard, which allowed him to figure out when Mino IV would log his titan chararcter on enabling RoCkEt X to kill said titan. The story is here http://themittani.com/news/legion-alts-downs-avatar-low-sec, and here http://pastebin.com/u9XjXtAa Too me it seems in the grey area just curious on other people's thoughts.



Eh... what's grey about requiring someone to register an account and design their own username and password?

It's pretty straightforward.

You shouldn't be trying to login as someone else's account, and this is also why we have lock out timers associated with programs/websites that require a specific personal login.

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ZehNarume
Pulling The Plug
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#104 - 2013-07-19 15:32:58 UTC  |  Edited by: ZehNarume
May I refer to what rocket said earlier in the thread:

RoCkEt X wrote:

except for the fact he posted his PW in his application to PL. so the information is out there :)


This just ruins any illegal claim, as the guy has posted his p/w on an application on the PL forums intending on other PL members (and as it's public for other people) to see and in follow has given them authorization to access the material contained on his EVEBoard page.

I just smell butthurt
Zaxix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#105 - 2013-07-19 15:37:48 UTC
Yes, it is technically illegal. And obviously so, despite the protestations of some posters. Someone used an analogy with someone having keys and trying them out in locks. That is also illegal and is a very bad analogy.

Bokononist

 
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#106 - 2013-07-19 15:39:17 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
RoCkEt X wrote:


data isn't private when it's on eveboard; passworded or not, you are sharing your API. the only way this effects the individual is ingame. and does nothing to their RL privacy. Technically the data doesn't belong to them, as all EVE online accounts and such are property of CCP... and as CCP states that all information gained by sharing of API keys is solely the responsibility of the player who shares them.... :)

Stop whining, my ribs are hurting from the laughter :)


If it is passworded and you have come by the password via illegal means including guessing, it is private.
If I 'guess' the combination to your safe, I can't take whatever is in it without it being stealing, what you did is no different.
Personally I consider this good grounds for the player to request CCP reimburse him, as for all it wasn't particularly secure, he was hacked as part of the attack on his titan.


This.

ZehNarume wrote:
May I refer to what rocket said earlier in the thread:

RoCkEt X wrote:

except for the fact he posted his PW in his application to PL. so the information is out there :)


This just ruins any illegal claim, as the guy has posted his p/w on an application on the PL forums intending on other PL members (and as it's public for other people) to see and in follow has given them authorization to access the material contained on his EVEBoard page.

I just smell butthurt


I smell damage control. Why would you "guess" a pw that has been given out beforehand?

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#107 - 2013-07-19 15:39:47 UTC
adopt wrote:
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Only in EVE Online will people care about spaceships

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I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Zaxix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#108 - 2013-07-19 15:40:56 UTC
ZehNarume wrote:
This just ruins any illegal claim, as the guy has posted his p/w on an application on the PL forums intending on other PL members (and as it's public for other people) to see and in follow has given them authorization to access the material contained on his EVEBoard page.

I just smell butthurt

Unless the PL application clearly states that the password will be used in perpetuity, repeated use is not automatically allowed. If i let you borrow my car once, it doesn't mean you can come borrow it whenever you want.

Bokononist

 
theelusiveyoda
Death Troopers
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#109 - 2013-07-19 15:45:07 UTC
Zaxix wrote:
ZehNarume wrote:
This just ruins any illegal claim, as the guy has posted his p/w on an application on the PL forums intending on other PL members (and as it's public for other people) to see and in follow has given them authorization to access the material contained on his EVEBoard page.

I just smell butthurt

Unless the PL application clearly states that the password will be used in perpetuity, repeated use is not automatically allowed. If i let you borrow my car once, it doesn't mean you can come borrow it whenever you want.


No but if you let the person keep the car keys that implies that you allow them to keep using the car at will and you then cant SHOUT THAT THEY STOLE YOUR CAR.
ZehNarume
Pulling The Plug
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#110 - 2013-07-19 15:46:26 UTC
Zaxix wrote:
ZehNarume wrote:
This just ruins any illegal claim, as the guy has posted his p/w on an application on the PL forums intending on other PL members (and as it's public for other people) to see and in follow has given them authorization to access the material contained on his EVEBoard page.

I just smell butthurt

Unless the PL application clearly states that the password will be used in perpetuity, repeated use is not automatically allowed. If i let you borrow my car once, it doesn't mean you can come borrow it whenever you want.


You're actually ********
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#111 - 2013-07-19 15:48:41 UTC
ZehNarume wrote:
May I refer to what rocket said earlier in the thread:

RoCkEt X wrote:

except for the fact he posted his PW in his application to PL. so the information is out there :)


This just ruins any illegal claim, as the guy has posted his p/w on an application on the PL forums intending on other PL members (and as it's public for other people) to see and in follow has given them authorization to access the material contained on his EVEBoard page.

I just smell butthurt


Usually recruitment boards are private (as if folks really did see the recruitment process, they'd probably never join another guild/clan/corp again!). The only "public" there is the officers who handle them. After it's approved then applications can be publicly posted, and usually without the personal info (as some apps require RL names and phone numbers).

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#112 - 2013-07-19 15:48:49 UTC
Zaxix wrote:
Unless the PL application clearly states that the password will be used in perpetuity, repeated use is not automatically allowed. If i let you borrow my car once, it doesn't mean you can come borrow it whenever you want.
If you don't want him to keep using your car, maybe you should take the key back?
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#113 - 2013-07-19 15:50:54 UTC
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:


This.

ZehNarume wrote:
May I refer to what rocket said earlier in the thread:

RoCkEt X wrote:

except for the fact he posted his PW in his application to PL. so the information is out there :)


This just ruins any illegal claim, as the guy has posted his p/w on an application on the PL forums intending on other PL members (and as it's public for other people) to see and in follow has given them authorization to access the material contained on his EVEBoard page.

I just smell butthurt


I smell damage control. Why would you "guess" a pw that has been given out beforehand?


I was thinking the same.

Could not shut up.. got caught... trying to backpaddle.

"i didn't hack him, he gave me the password, please don't get ccp involved, i just want my mamma..."

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
ZehNarume
Pulling The Plug
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#114 - 2013-07-19 15:51:32 UTC  |  Edited by: ZehNarume
Ace Uoweme wrote:
ZehNarume wrote:
May I refer to what rocket said earlier in the thread:

RoCkEt X wrote:

except for the fact he posted his PW in his application to PL. so the information is out there :)


This just ruins any illegal claim, as the guy has posted his p/w on an application on the PL forums intending on other PL members (and as it's public for other people) to see and in follow has given them authorization to access the material contained on his EVEBoard page.

I just smell butthurt


Usually recruitment boards are private (as if folks really did see the recruitment process, they'd probably never join another guild/clan/corp again!). The only "public" there is the officers who handle them. After it's approved then applications can be publicly posted, and usually without the personal info (as some apps require RL names and phone numbers).


The PL recruitment forums are public, hence how this information was obtained. Thus your point is irrelevant.

And actually, most recruitment forums are public anyway...
theelusiveyoda
Death Troopers
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#115 - 2013-07-19 15:54:27 UTC  |  Edited by: theelusiveyoda
Ace Uoweme wrote:
ZehNarume wrote:
May I refer to what rocket said earlier in the thread:

RoCkEt X wrote:

except for the fact he posted his PW in his application to PL. so the information is out there :)


This just ruins any illegal claim, as the guy has posted his p/w on an application on the PL forums intending on other PL members (and as it's public for other people) to see and in follow has given them authorization to access the material contained on his EVEBoard page.

I just smell butthurt


Usually recruitment boards are private (as if folks really did see the recruitment process, they'd probably never join another guild/clan/corp again!). The only "public" there is the officers who handle them. After it's approved then applications can be publicly posted, and usually without the personal info (as some apps require RL names and phone numbers).


PL recruitment posts are Public Access and posting information in the recruitment section is accepting that the information is publicly available. So then saying that someone used the information that you posted Publicly against your consent is just stupid.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#116 - 2013-07-19 15:54:33 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Thorn Galen wrote:
There's nothing "meta' about it, it is illegal, plain and simple.
What law does it break?





-The Computer Misuse Act. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Misuse_Act_1990)


The amendments to the Computer Misuse Act 1990 by Part 5 of the Police and Justice Act 2006[8] are

Section 35. Unauthorised access to computer material[9]
Section 36. Unauthorised acts with intent to impair operation of computer, etc.[10]
Section 37. Making, supplying or obtaining articles for use in computer misuse offences[11]
Section 38. Transitional and saving provision[12]-


Of course, this would only pertain to the country of which the server holds the information in regards to enforcing the law.

But as far as I know, Julian whatshisname from wikileaks is still being chased so I would only advise caution when trying to interpret the law for anyone questioning the validity of their conduct and take all considerations when doing something you think might not be okay to do.

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#117 - 2013-07-19 15:56:54 UTC
theelusiveyoda wrote:
Zaxix wrote:
ZehNarume wrote:
This just ruins any illegal claim, as the guy has posted his p/w on an application on the PL forums intending on other PL members (and as it's public for other people) to see and in follow has given them authorization to access the material contained on his EVEBoard page.

I just smell butthurt

Unless the PL application clearly states that the password will be used in perpetuity, repeated use is not automatically allowed. If i let you borrow my car once, it doesn't mean you can come borrow it whenever you want.


No but if you let the person keep the car keys that implies that you allow them to keep using the car at will and you then cant SHOUT THAT THEY STOLE YOUR CAR.


Good luck trying to win that in court.

It all comes down to INTENT. Someone gives another a key to their house, it's fine for them to come over (like in home care, where nurses have to let themselves in the house). It doesn't mean it's okay to steal from the house, though.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#118 - 2013-07-19 15:58:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Murk Paradox wrote:
Tippia wrote:
What law does it break?
-The Computer Misuse Act. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Misuse_Act_1990)


“The Computer Misuse Act 1990 is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom” …which has no jurisdiction over Swedish servers.

Quote:
But as far as I know, Julian whatshisname from wikileaks is still being chased so I would only advise caution when trying to interpret the law for anyone questioning the validity of their conduct and take all considerations when doing something you think might not be okay to do.
That's because he was trying to evade justice by fleeing the country where he was being accused of a crime.

Ace Uoweme wrote:
Good luck trying to win that in court.

It all comes down to INTENT. Someone gives another a key to their house, it's fine for them to come over (like in home care, where nurses have to let themselves in the house). It doesn't mean it's okay to steal from the house, though.
…but since no theft took place, it would indeed be incorrect to run around and should that they stole anything.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#119 - 2013-07-19 16:00:44 UTC  |  Edited by: E-2C Hawkeye
Alua Oresson wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Thorn Galen wrote:
There's nothing "meta' about it, it is illegal, plain and simple.
What law does it break?


Since the "crime" occured in Sweden, I would venture that Swedish law was broken. A little Googling results in the offence being laid out in Chapter 4 Section 9c of the Swedish penal code.

Quote:

Section 9c
A person who, in cases other than those defined in Sections 8 and 9, unlawfully obtains access to a recording for automatic data processing or unlawfully alters or erases or inserts such a recording in a register, shall be sentenced for breach of data secrecy to a fine or imprisonment for at most two years. A recording in this context includes even information that is being processed by electronic or similar means for use with automatic data processing. (Law
1998:206)




Thank you for taking the time to help educate Tipia. This type of community service is greatly appreciated.

I am sure she/he/it is working hard on legalzoom.com and other sources to try and prove she was in fact not wrong only misunderstood. Big smile
Kat Ayclism
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2013-07-19 16:08:18 UTC
HE'S ALREADY IN JAIL FOR HIS DASTARDLY DEEDS, HAVE SOME RESPECT YOU GODAWFUL PEOPLE

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