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Doddy
Excidium.
#61 - 2013-07-19 00:12:34 UTC
Gingar Bread wrote:
Jint Hikaru wrote:
dethleffs wrote:
Who came up with the term "frag-warping"? If it has to be named something then frag would certainly not be involved - it would be the opposite!


youth! gah!



Young people these days.... I'm surprised he didn't call it XTREEEEM-Warping


Getting tiered of trolls... the term had been coined and used before 2008 already.
It's not the OPs fault you started eve late or have been moving between your mission agent and the mission site too much.

It's unbalanced in lowsec. Someone tell me why not in an orderly dialectic fashion and this could be an interesting thread.
But most topics on these forums go lost since the average poster didn't finish highschool.


I dunno, i have never heard of frag warping before and i played since 2003 ..... warp cloak trick is what it has been always. I guess the op is your alt or something?
Vidarel
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2013-07-19 00:32:17 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Vidarel wrote:

Posts made before some of you started Trolling on these forums, the earliest mention being in Feb 2008.


I've been here way longer than that Mr. faceless, and I've never, ever, heard this maneuver called anything so stupid. But, at least there is prior art before today, so you don't have to shoulder all of the blame.

Vidarel wrote:

The Orca mentioned in the OP evaded a solo corp m8 of mine in a T3, who had no propulsion, but a high scan res.


So, you are here filling our tear buckets on behalf of your disgruntled comrade. That's noble. I'm assuming he also shares your faceless condition?



I'm here trying to discuss a game mechanic I don't think should be viable, it's just my opinion although it is shared by most of the people I know in game. That doesn't mean much though and I was just trying to gauge the opinions of the rest of EVE on the matter. I can now see that most on here have no problem with it, so I will just have to deal with it.

What's the problem with me using a faceless alt to post on the forum? Are you not using an alt to post on here?
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#63 - 2013-07-19 00:54:11 UTC
The common nomenclature is "MWD trick" though "instawarp" is also used. I tend to use "instawarp" to refer to the practise of having undock bookmarks allowing my cargo ships to gèt into warp "instantly" rather than spending tens of seconds to align.

As a hint to those being frustrated by the MWD trick, you want prop mods not sensor mods in order to foil this technique. A ship using the MWD trick will need almost 10 seconds to get up to warp speed while cloaked. Thus you will need a ship capable of at least 2km/s to reach the spot where the target appeared before they cloaked. You only need to bump them, no need to lock them: once the cloak is deactivated they must remain decloaked for some time before they can reactivate the cloak. You will not need sensor mods.

And then you have to consider why people feel the need to use the MWD trick: could it possibly be because there are far too many wannabe pirates who think that gate camping is "real PvP"? Do the habitual gate campers not understand that when you kill everything that moves, there will be nothing left to kill?

Ultimately, the use of the pejorative term for homosexual males indicates that you are judging a player by their playstyle without considering what impact your playstyle is having. You gate frags need to think about the consequences of your actions.

And learn to play.

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Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
#64 - 2013-07-19 00:58:58 UTC
Vidarel wrote:
What's the problem with me using a faceless alt to post on the forum? Are you not using an alt to post on here?


Well the difference is that I'm a forum main and an in-game alt. Also I wear nice garments from the Nex store. Even my forum alt is directly linked to me. She's my in-game CEO at the moment, until I decide to relieve her of that duty.

I'm definately not faceless.


Don't anger the forum gods.

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> I Saw, I came, I Frowned, I locked, I posted, and I left.
Vidarel
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2013-07-19 01:11:43 UTC
Jill Xelitras wrote:
Vidarel wrote:
What's the problem with me using a faceless alt to post on the forum? Are you not using an alt to post on here?


Well the difference is that I'm a forum main and an in-game alt. Also I wear nice garments from the Nex store. Even my forum alt is directly linked to me. She's my in-game CEO at the moment, until I decide to relieve her of that duty.

I'm definately not faceless.




The questions were aimed at Doc Fury, the person quoted.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#66 - 2013-07-19 03:15:36 UTC
Vidarel wrote:

The Orca mentioned in the OP evaded a solo corp m8 of mine in a T3, who had no propulsion, but a high scan res.


Tell your corpmate that Scanres is not the counter to the MWD-cloak trick, that sacrificing a Prop mod also sacrifices any chance you have at decloaking Orcas. Shocking concept really, that sacrificing an important module might decrease your effectiveness in situations where that module is important.

Also which T3 needs to sacrifice having a prop mod to get ~2800 scan res (the maximum useful value)?

Vidarel wrote:
I'm here trying to discuss a game mechanic I don't think should be viable, it's just my opinion although it is shared by most of the people I know in game. That doesn't mean much though and I was just trying to gauge the opinions of the rest of EVE on the matter. I can now see that most on here have no problem with it, so I will just have to deal with it.


Why shouldn't it be viable? It's easily countered. Just because your corpmate's incompetence cost him an Orca kill doesn't mean there's a mechanical problem.

Quote:
What's the problem with me using a faceless alt to post on the forum? Are you not using an alt to post on here?


No alt here.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2013-07-19 04:28:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Nyancat Audeles
Only if there were these things calf "warp disruption bubbles"... Ohwait...

Also, scanres... Its easy to catch these things in a sebo or signal enhanced Ares.

/thread
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#68 - 2013-07-19 04:37:08 UTC
Vidarel wrote:


I'm here trying to discuss a game mechanic I don't think should be viable



Just because you are terible doesn't mean we should take away one of the defences a smart player in an industrial can use. There are conters you can use against this tatic.


Vidarel wrote:
Are you not using an alt to post on here?


I'll give you 2 guesses.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#69 - 2013-07-19 06:11:16 UTC
Vidarel wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Vidarel wrote:

Posts made before some of you started Trolling on these forums, the earliest mention being in Feb 2008.


I've been here way longer than that Mr. faceless, and I've never, ever, heard this maneuver called anything so stupid. But, at least there is prior art before today, so you don't have to shoulder all of the blame.

Vidarel wrote:

The Orca mentioned in the OP evaded a solo corp m8 of mine in a T3, who had no propulsion, but a high scan res.


So, you are here filling our tear buckets on behalf of your disgruntled comrade. That's noble. I'm assuming he also shares your faceless condition?



I'm here trying to discuss a game mechanic I don't think should be viable, it's just my opinion although it is shared by most of the people I know in game. That doesn't mean much though and I was just trying to gauge the opinions of the rest of EVE on the matter. I can now see that most on here have no problem with it, so I will just have to deal with it.

What's the problem with me using a faceless alt to post on the forum? Are you not using an alt to post on here?



Thus we come to the lesson to be learned here.

You need to get out more.

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seth Hendar
I love you miners
#70 - 2013-07-19 13:00:46 UTC
Ritsum wrote:
Works the same way with bumping.

Bumping is legit and can be used to bump people off grid and can nearly be counted as griefing in some cases.

Cloaking is legit and can be used as long as nothing is within 2500m.

You already have the mechanic to de-cloak someone just as people being bumped have mechanics to get out.

Quit the crying and think about how to prevent it such as dropping drones around the uncloak area or something.

beware with the drones, because this is not allowed according to some GM's

we caught a cloacky by having 5 ppl orbiting a gate with drones out, drones prevented him to recloack, he died, petitionned, and CCP sent us a warning because this could be considered an exploit by puting "to much charge on the server"



also, the mwd + cloack trick is allowed by CCP afaik, so nothing to do against this, valid and clever use of ingame mechanics
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#71 - 2013-07-19 13:08:42 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:


Why shouldn't it be viable? It's easily countered. Just because your corpmate's incompetence cost him an Orca kill doesn't mean there's a mechanical problem.


This is wrong, it should look more like:

RubyPorto wrote:


Why shouldn't it be viable? It's easily countered. Just because your corpmate's incompetence cost him an Orca kill doesn't mean there's a mechanical problem.


Now everyone can see it, even blind people!
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#72 - 2013-07-19 13:13:14 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
First of all, it's called the "insta warp" trick. Don't make up terms, you're not cool enough.

Quote:
If it's all about "clever use of mechanics", then why in heaven's name aren't people who set-up a camp allowed to drop drones, cans or whatnot. And don't start with "LAG", that's just absurd!


It does cause lag, to anyone jumping in. Your overview has to load it, your display has to load it, and all before your jump animation finishes. So yeah it's cheating, and they were right to pop the cans of anyone doing it (and here's the key) to excess.

so if i do the same, with 100 ppl, this cause less lag right? oh wait.....
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#73 - 2013-07-19 16:37:17 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Jenn aSide wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:


Why shouldn't it be viable? It's easily countered. Just because your corpmate's incompetence cost him an Orca kill doesn't mean there's a mechanical problem.


This is wrong, it should look more like:

RubyPorto wrote:


Why shouldn't it be viable? It's easily countered. Just because your corpmate's incompetence cost him an Orca kill doesn't mean there's a mechanical problem.


Now everyone can see it, even blind people!


Now they can.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Riyal
invidious Squid
#74 - 2013-07-19 16:59:16 UTC
I was hoping for some kind of warp trick using explosions Cry

In hindsight my post should have had more psssshhhh
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#75 - 2013-07-19 17:14:22 UTC
Vidarel wrote:


I'm here trying to discuss a game mechanic I don't think should be viable, it's just my opinion although it is shared by most of the people I know in game.

A discussion? Really? let me quote you:

Vidarel wrote:
How many more years do we have to endure this lame exploit?

That sure sounds a lot like you are butthurt and just came crying to the forums to stir-up crap, and not someone simply seeking a discussion. Especially so, since you use the word "exploit" to incorrectly describe a maneuver which is a) not an exploit and b) something that was placed (and then replaced) in the game intentionally by CCP.

Vidarel wrote:

What's the problem with me using a faceless alt to post on the forum?

Because faceless alts typically only come here to troll or shiptoast, and if you honestly can't be bothered to take 5 min to make a portrait, why should anyone care what you have to say even if you are just trying to have a reasonable discussion?

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#76 - 2013-07-19 17:34:18 UTC
Some people are just really, really sh*t at gatecamping...

It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#77 - 2013-07-19 17:36:39 UTC
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
Some people are just really, really sh*t at gatecamping everything inculding EVE...


Fixed.
Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#78 - 2013-07-19 17:51:29 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
Some people are just really, really sh*t at gatecamping everything inculding EVE...


Fixed.


Thank you. Lol

It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.
SquirlRuler Cadelanne
Guilliman Initiative
#79 - 2013-07-19 20:29:50 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Vidarel wrote:


I have dropped stuff around the gate for the purpose of preventing ships from cloaking many times. It always ends when CCP come along and claim we are deliberately causing lag. They then pop the offending items and issue account warnings.


How exactly does someone who has never logged into the game do that Mr. faceless?


Awesome.

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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#80 - 2013-07-19 21:55:51 UTC
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3. Ranting is prohibited.

A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents.


Thread locked.

Additionally, this is a subject that has been done to death over and over. It is not an exploit. In fact, when it was unintentionally removed during Apocrypha 1.2 (post 52), the change was reverted so the cloak-MWD mechanic was preserved.

However, if you would like to propose a new idea or change to existing mechanics and have a constructive discussion about it, please post it in a new thread in Features & Ideas Discussion.

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