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K Suri
Doomheim
#241 - 2011-11-09 22:56:32 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
K Suri wrote:
btw. Your FA boyfriend started the name calling. Have you chatted him for name calling yet? Well? Have you?

If I were to witness him doing it in every thread he posted in I would call him out on it.

Bullshit. I didn't (name call in "every thread") and you did (call me out).
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#242 - 2011-11-09 23:06:26 UTC
Wow is not as "safe" as people think. The only thing that is different is that when you die, you don't lose your stuff.


PVP in WOW, having PVP servers, is rough if you get corpse and graveyard camped. Your only hope is that someone with higher skills comes along and distracts them - or log in an alternate.


WoW suffers heavily from the "he who has no life wins" principle meaning that if you don't have time to raid constantly and get all twinked up with epics, you will get spanked in PVP. EvE is actually more friendly to casual players this way because you can spend an hour hitting an exploration site and come away with a couple of officer or deadspace modules.

The offline skill training that WoW does not have makes skilling up in profession much harder - making a million heavy leathers to skill up leatherworking.... get the idea.

I don't think that EvE has to be WoWed up to get the kind of player base that Blizzard has, but it could benefit from better mechanics that make it harder to get ganked.

Let's face it, it's the local in 0.0 and the use of gates. The gates are killing the game, because the people with the least in skills and poorest of playstyles are facilitated and rewarded by gate mechanics.

Eliminate these gates and let ships dial in a system to system warp "Star Trek Style" and this would retain players. For most players, when you run out of things to do in high sec, and you have blobs of griefers waiting for you in low and 0.0, what's the point? People want to be challenged, not insta-raeped. Get rid of gates and the warp bubble will be displaced by the combat probe and there is something that really matters: a chance.

If WoW had permaloss and all of the major choke points had gankers, it would not have 11 million subscribers. If EvE gets rids of choke points, and being already large enough that there are not enough griefbears to cover every inch of space, people will stop getting bored in high sec and leaving.







Bring back DEEEEP Space!
E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
#243 - 2011-11-09 23:11:39 UTC
WoW also dpeends upon developed content rather than sand box.


Also WoW is in decline while EvE is constantly growing....
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#244 - 2011-11-09 23:13:13 UTC
K Suri wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
K Suri wrote:
btw. Your FA boyfriend started the name calling. Have you chatted him for name calling yet? Well? Have you?

If I were to witness him doing it in every thread he posted in I would call him out on it.

Bullshit. I didn't (name call in "every thread") and you did (call me out).



Relax, I have only called YOU an idiot in the threads I have posted in recently.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#245 - 2011-11-09 23:14:23 UTC
K Suri wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
K Suri wrote:
btw. Your FA boyfriend started the name calling. Have you chatted him for name calling yet? Well? Have you?

If I were to witness him doing it in every thread he posted in I would call him out on it.

Bullshit. I didn't (name call in "every thread") and you did (call me out).



I'm beginning to like these forums. Tasty drama.

Although... I wonder, what do people actually talk about here when there's no huge suicide ganking campaign?

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Aggressive Nutmeg
#246 - 2011-11-09 23:21:41 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


Let's face it, it's the local in 0.0 and the use of gates. The gates are killing the game, because the people with the least in skills and poorest of playstyles are facilitated and rewarded by gate mechanics.

Eliminate these gates and let ships dial in a system to system warp "Star Trek Style" and this would retain players. For most players, when you run out of things to do in high sec, and you have blobs of griefers waiting for you in low and 0.0, what's the point? People want to be challenged, not insta-raeped. Get rid of gates and the warp bubble will be displaced by the combat probe and there is something that really matters: a chance.

If WoW had permaloss and all of the major choke points had gankers, it would not have 11 million subscribers. If EvE gets rids of choke points, and being already large enough that there are not enough griefbears to cover every inch of space, people will stop getting bored in high sec and leaving.


Rings true to me.

Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#247 - 2011-11-09 23:25:55 UTC
If there were no gates we'd never see anyone, ever.

If they remove gates, they better add a 3D 10 AU range, instantly updated, scanner/map of the solar system that you can use to warp to anyone or anything within 10 AU. There's no way I'd want to use probes all the time.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
K Suri
Doomheim
#248 - 2011-11-09 23:34:20 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
K Suri wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
K Suri wrote:
btw. Your FA boyfriend started the name calling. Have you chatted him for name calling yet? Well? Have you?

If I were to witness him doing it in every thread he posted in I would call him out on it.

Bullshit. I didn't (name call in "every thread") and you did (call me out).



I'm beginning to like these forums. Tasty drama.

Although... I wonder, what do people actually talk about here when there's no huge suicide ganking campaign?

And more to the point, if it's so "right" and so "normal" why IS it being talked about so much?
K Suri
Doomheim
#249 - 2011-11-09 23:35:25 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
K Suri wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
K Suri wrote:
btw. Your FA boyfriend started the name calling. Have you chatted him for name calling yet? Well? Have you?

If I were to witness him doing it in every thread he posted in I would call him out on it.

Bullshit. I didn't (name call in "every thread") and you did (call me out).



Relax, I have only called YOU an idiot in the threads I have posted in recently.

Gimme a kiss sweetie. You're an absolute treasure.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#250 - 2011-11-09 23:36:19 UTC
K Suri wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
K Suri wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
K Suri wrote:
btw. Your FA boyfriend started the name calling. Have you chatted him for name calling yet? Well? Have you?

If I were to witness him doing it in every thread he posted in I would call him out on it.

Bullshit. I didn't (name call in "every thread") and you did (call me out).



Relax, I have only called YOU an idiot in the threads I have posted in recently.

Gimme a kiss sweetie. You're an absolute treasure.


Don't want turbonigg** aids, thanks.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#251 - 2011-11-09 23:38:19 UTC
K Suri wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
K Suri wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
K Suri wrote:
btw. Your FA boyfriend started the name calling. Have you chatted him for name calling yet? Well? Have you?

If I were to witness him doing it in every thread he posted in I would call him out on it.

Bullshit. I didn't (name call in "every thread") and you did (call me out).



I'm beginning to like these forums. Tasty drama.

Although... I wonder, what do people actually talk about here when there's no huge suicide ganking campaign?

And more to the point, if it's so "right" and so "normal" why IS it being talked about so much?


I'd say it's because it's the only large strategic operation that's currently happening in game.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Russell Casey
Doomheim
#252 - 2011-11-09 23:48:47 UTC
E man Industries wrote:
WoW also dpeends upon developed content rather than sand box.


Also WoW is in decline while EvE is constantly growing....


I thought EVE died last summer.
K Suri
Doomheim
#253 - 2011-11-09 23:50:05 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
I'd say it's because it's the only large strategic operation that's currently happening in game.

That's one view despite the fact that strategic is a misnomer. That was a Goons justfication for it so they don't get their ass kicked for griefing.

Someone once said that Goons have misjudged CCP here. They have MADE suicide ganking a hot topic and their intent, if there ever was one, may backfire on them.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#254 - 2011-11-09 23:59:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Corina Jarr
K Suri wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
I'd say it's because it's the only large strategic operation that's currently happening in game.

That's one view despite the fact that strategic is a misnomer. That was a Goons justfication for it so they don't get their ass kicked for griefing.

Someone once said that Goons have misjudged CCP here. They have MADE suicide ganking a hot topic and their intent, if there ever was one, may backfire on them.

Except it isn't griefing.

Per CCPs definition, it is nearly impossible to grief a group of people as large as all ice miners in Gall space.

In fact, as they are providing a way out (moving to another empire), Goons are definitely not griefing.



Ugh I'm defending Goons... I feel dirty.
K Suri
Doomheim
#255 - 2011-11-10 00:07:17 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
K Suri wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
I'd say it's because it's the only large strategic operation that's currently happening in game.

That's one view despite the fact that strategic is a misnomer. That was a Goons justfication for it so they don't get their ass kicked for griefing.

Someone once said that Goons have misjudged CCP here. They have MADE suicide ganking a hot topic and their intent, if there ever was one, may backfire on them.

Except it isn't griefing.

Per CCPs definition, it is nearly impossible to grief a group of people as large as all ice miners in Gall space.

In fact, as they are providing a way out (moving to another empire), Goons are definitely not griefing.

Ugh I'm defending Goons... I feel dirty.

If I were to buy a Mack and mine in Bramiel (sic) I would get popped by a Goon.
If I were to buy another Mack and mine in Bramiel I would get popped again by a Goon.
If I were to buy another Mack and mine in Bramiel I would get popped again by a Goon.

How many times do I need to do this before it's called griefing as per CCP's "rules"? And if moving locations is a defense to deny griefing can I go to another Gall ice field and mine ice? I bet not.

The rule is ambiguous and "justifying" the campaign by using the wording of the definition should ALSO allow for the interpretation of griefing for the ganked. Does that make sense?
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#256 - 2011-11-10 00:08:19 UTC
They doubled gallente ice prices, as long as they bought some before to profit from it, it's not griefing but a valid gameplay maneuver.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#257 - 2011-11-10 00:10:14 UTC
K Suri wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
K Suri wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
I'd say it's because it's the only large strategic operation that's currently happening in game.

That's one view despite the fact that strategic is a misnomer. That was a Goons justfication for it so they don't get their ass kicked for griefing.

Someone once said that Goons have misjudged CCP here. They have MADE suicide ganking a hot topic and their intent, if there ever was one, may backfire on them.

Except it isn't griefing.

Per CCPs definition, it is nearly impossible to grief a group of people as large as all ice miners in Gall space.

In fact, as they are providing a way out (moving to another empire), Goons are definitely not griefing.

Ugh I'm defending Goons... I feel dirty.

If I were to buy a Mack and mine in Bramiel (sic) I would get popped by a Goon.
If I were to buy another Mack and mine in Bramiel I would get popped again by a Goon.
If I were to buy another Mack and mine in Bramiel I would get popped again by a Goon.

How many times do I need to do this before it's called griefing as per CCP's "rules"? And if moving locations is a defense to deny griefing can I go to another Gall ice field and mine ice? I bet not.

The rule is ambiguous and "justifying" the campaign by using the wording of the definition should ALSO allow for the interpretation of griefing for the ganked. Does that make sense?

If you were to continue going to the Gall ice fields after being ganked over and over, you're either stupid or a bot. Especially because Goons are quite vocal about their campaign.
K Suri
Doomheim
#258 - 2011-11-10 00:16:44 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
They doubled gallente ice prices, as long as they bought some before to profit from it, it's not griefing but a valid gameplay maneuver.

That's my point. I'll explain.

What if I decided to go after a rich player over and over again?

Does the very fact that there is salvage preclude a griefing petition because I can simply say it's for economic reasons - as per the CCP definition.
K Suri
Doomheim
#259 - 2011-11-10 00:19:27 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
K Suri wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
K Suri wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
I'd say it's because it's the only large strategic operation that's currently happening in game.

That's one view despite the fact that strategic is a misnomer. That was a Goons justfication for it so they don't get their ass kicked for griefing.

Someone once said that Goons have misjudged CCP here. They have MADE suicide ganking a hot topic and their intent, if there ever was one, may backfire on them.

Except it isn't griefing.

Per CCPs definition, it is nearly impossible to grief a group of people as large as all ice miners in Gall space.

In fact, as they are providing a way out (moving to another empire), Goons are definitely not griefing.

Ugh I'm defending Goons... I feel dirty.

If I were to buy a Mack and mine in Bramiel (sic) I would get popped by a Goon.
If I were to buy another Mack and mine in Bramiel I would get popped again by a Goon.
If I were to buy another Mack and mine in Bramiel I would get popped again by a Goon.

How many times do I need to do this before it's called griefing as per CCP's "rules"? And if moving locations is a defense to deny griefing can I go to another Gall ice field and mine ice? I bet not.

The rule is ambiguous and "justifying" the campaign by using the wording of the definition should ALSO allow for the interpretation of griefing for the ganked. Does that make sense?

If you were to continue going to the Gall ice fields after being ganked over and over, you're either stupid or a bot. Especially because Goons are quite vocal about their campaign.

I'm splitting hairs to a degree but the definition doesn't have "stupidity" as an option to justify griefing.

What if were simply new and didn't understand the mechanics or use the forums? How does someone make the call on "stupid" versus "new" versus "ignorant". Is it part of the policy?
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#260 - 2011-11-10 00:44:19 UTC
As with the law, ignorance is no excuse.


Goons have provided a way out of being their target, and a very reasonable way out (game wise). It is not griefing.