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Vigilant Price Crash
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#1 - 2013-07-18 14:16:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Brewlar Kuvakei
Price is around 300m now. The Demios has just got a 4th mid slot in exchange for losing a useless utility high, also got a buff which I think is going to attract a lot of Vigilant pilots as they are cheaper and of course insurable against loss.
Kristoffon vonDrake
Forceful Resource Acquisition Inc
#2 - 2013-07-18 16:39:59 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
and of course insurable against loss.


Roll
Aliventi
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#3 - 2013-07-18 16:58:16 UTC
Yeah. T2 was buffed. Awesome. But guess what will be buffed in due time: Pirate ships. Which according to CCP's rebalance chart are supposed to be better than T2 and navy IIRC.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#4 - 2013-07-18 17:47:21 UTC
Kristoffon vonDrake wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
and of course insurable against loss.


Roll


You are clearly an idiot, I feel no need to fill in your lack of EVE knowledge by explaining further.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#5 - 2013-07-18 17:48:31 UTC
Aliventi wrote:
Yeah. T2 was buffed. Awesome. But guess what will be buffed in due time: Pirate ships. Which according to CCP's rebalance chart are supposed to be better than T2 and navy IIRC.


Time frame ..... .. price dropping

Yeah I get you but for now the price will dive as Deimos takes up slack, of course the Vigilant will rise up again on it's buff.
Kristoffon vonDrake
Forceful Resource Acquisition Inc
#6 - 2013-07-18 18:18:55 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Kristoffon vonDrake wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
and of course insurable against loss.


Roll


You are clearly an idiot, I feel no need to fill in your lack of EVE knowledge by explaining further.


Have you ever heard the maxim "Better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're an idiot and open it and remove all doubt?" I think it applies to you. You should exercise lurking more before embarrassing yourself with arrogant posting. Being arrogant is bad in itself but forgivable when you're right, being a wrong arrogant is just plain laughable.

Do please fill in my lack of Eve knowledge though. I'm having a crappy day and would love to laugh more at your lack of wits.
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#7 - 2013-07-19 07:03:35 UTC
Kristoffon vonDrake wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Kristoffon vonDrake wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
and of course insurable against loss.


Roll


You are clearly an idiot, I feel no need to fill in your lack of EVE knowledge by explaining further.


Have you ever heard the maxim "Better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're an idiot and open it and remove all doubt?" I think it applies to you. You should exercise lurking more before embarrassing yourself with arrogant posting. Being arrogant is bad in itself but forgivable when you're right, being a wrong arrogant is just plain laughable.

Do please fill in my lack of Eve knowledge though. I'm having a crappy day and would love to laugh more at your lack of wits.

People are generally pretty ******* stupid and don't bother doubting their conclusions in the first place.

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#8 - 2013-07-19 11:38:57 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
I am clearly an idiot


Fixed.

Anything you can dock is insurable, to a greater or lesser extent.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#9 - 2013-07-19 18:51:28 UTC
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
I am clearly an idiot
Fixed.
Anything you can dock is insurable, to a greater or lesser extent.



Supers still get their default insurance payout, so to be even more pedantic...

Kristoffon vonDrake wrote:
Have you ever heard the maxim "Better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're an idiot and open it and remove all doubt?" I think it applies to you. You should exercise lurking more before embarrassing yourself with arrogant posting. Being arrogant is bad in itself but forgivable when you're right, being a wrong arrogant is just plain laughable.

Do please fill in my lack of Eve knowledge though. I'm having a crappy day and would love to laugh more at your lack of wits.


There was doubt before this thread? I don't think lurking more will help this one.

But hey, I'll bite anyway.

Brewlar, what do you mean by your claim that the Deimos is insurable in a way that the Vigilant is not?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
HeXxploiT
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-07-19 19:22:06 UTC
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
I am clearly an idiot


Fixed.

Anything you can dock is insurable, to a greater or lesser extent.


*Clearly doesn't fly Strategic Cruisers.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#11 - 2013-07-19 19:58:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Brewlar Kuvakei
Ruby what's the max payout on insurance on the Vigilant and now what's the max payout for the Deimos? The max payout on a Vigilant is 10m ISK because that's all a vigilant costs to build in minerals. The entire cost is in the rarity of it's BPC drop which is not insurable.

SO flying a Deimos which is,

A) As good as a vigilant
B) Much Cheaper than a vigilant
C) Does not get a rock bottom Insurance deal ie 10m on a 300m loss ( still gets bad insurance but no as bad as faction BPC ships)

Makes Sense,

Yeah for being spoon fed knowledge.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#12 - 2013-07-19 20:03:51 UTC
HeXxploiT wrote:
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
I am clearly an idiot


Fixed.

Anything you can dock is insurable, to a greater or lesser extent.


*Clearly doesn't fly Strategic Cruisers.


Ruby is a tool, don't try argue with him it's pointless.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#13 - 2013-07-19 20:20:36 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Ruby what's the max payout on insurance on the Vigilant and now what's the max payout for the Deimos? The max payout on a Vigilant is 10m ISK because that's all a vigilant costs to build in minerals. The entire cost is in the rarity of it's BPC drop which is not insurable.

SO flying a Deimos which is,

A) As good as a vigilant
B) Much Cheaper than a vigilant
C) Does not get a rock bottom Insurance deal ie 10m on a 300m loss ( still gets bad insurance but no as bad as faction BPC ships)

Makes Sense,

Yeah for being spoon fed knowledge.


I'm not commenting on A or B.

As for C, the mineral build cost of a Deimos is actually about 3m ISK less than the mineral build cost of a Vigilant. (10m in minerals vs 13m).

Neither are generally considered to be worth insuring, and the relative Insurance payout has nothing to do with their popularity.

Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
HeXxploiT wrote:
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
I am clearly an idiot


Fixed.

Anything you can dock is insurable, to a greater or lesser extent.


*Clearly doesn't fly Strategic Cruisers.


Ruby is a tool, don't try argue with him it's pointless.


You seem confused about... names.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Beryl Temper
F1 Academy
Worst Alliance Ever
#14 - 2013-07-19 22:32:56 UTC
1. Ruby IS a tool. I agree on that point.

2. Vigilant still has it's 90% web which is kind of a big deal. I doubt that Deimos being buffed slightly will majorly damage the price of the Vigilant, given that the Vigilant was never a particuarly good ship in the first place.