Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well I do not have cap issues with my Zealot or my Legion. That does not mean I never get low on cap, just that when I get there I made reasonable work from that cap.

How medium arties are used at the moment, Lokis? Hurricanes?
Aren't they been used in a sort of "niche" combat only (certain fleet types in certain conditions) ?

It's an honest question, I only fly frigs (and badly), I really don't know the current application/meta of medium arties.
If one day I decide to upgrade to cruisers (solo - small gang low sec roamer), I really can't see why should I use them.

Tank and dps is fine for level 3 missions. Tank should be enough for Guristas level 4s.

[Drake, L3 Active PvE Drake]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Internal Force Field Array I

10MN Afterburner II
Medium Shield Booster II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I

The damage buff is far to massive, there will be little reason at all to use blasters and auto cannons with this numbers outside solo pvp, the only saving grace of puls is that beams are nearly unfit able on everything except the Harbinger, Zealot and Absolution and puls got scorch ammo.

The major issue of medium rails is the lack of tracking in combination with fast movement at 18-28km kitting ranges and that caldari hulls lack the effective turrets(gallente hulls with drones + rails already get ok damage on paper). The reason why small rails work is that they are used within web range and large rails are used on hulls with a lot of tracking mods or at far higher ranges. Damage is not the source of the problem with medium rails(at least on gallente hulls), it is damage application and all you gain by this change is wrecking medium blasters and auto cannons.

Great points on medium beams, it is still far easier to just fit pulse scorch and save the ass ache of trying to make a beam fit work with the PG fitting and cap use.

Not sure where those numbers are coming from? Guessing Evelopedia is massively out of date.

Comparing an Omen (multifreq) and Thorax (antimatter) as above with level 5 skills. (So you get the 50% cap bonus on the Omen)
Each laser on the Omen uses over 8 cap per shot. Their cycle time is 3.24 seconds. 2.47 cap per second per gun
The Thorax guns use 5.25 cap per shot, with a cycle time of 4.6 seconds. 1.14 cap per second per gun.

Even with the Rate of fire change on the rails they aren't even going to be close to the cap usage of Beam lasers - and that's on a ship with a cap usage bonus. BTW - thorax has near enough the same sized cap as an Omen :)

On a Maller - 16.25 cap per volley, cycle time of 4.32. That's 3.76 cap per second per gun.


Now this isn't a whining about cap usage post, I just wanted to point out that Rails aren't even the same league as Beams for using cap!

I'm pretty sure you either misunderstood the "thing" or don't understand at all how alpha works.

Fit a instant arty cane and shoot T2 destroyers with to see them pop under a single shot, now do the same thing with your uber rails or beams and watch your target gtfo and laugh at you.

The only way to kill the same destroyer with those 2 guns other than alpha is when the target stays enough time for you to cycle several times your guns which they shouldn't aloud you to, on the other hand a single volley means instant kill

Again instead of EFT spewing numbers this is about experience and I have yet to see any rails or beams battlecruiser one shot T2 destroyers with 6k ehp or blow in two shots faction frigates at 140km like arty can do (if you can't do this you need to learn how)

Now if you're talking about structure shooting crap with bazillions EHP or capital ships DPS guns or faster ROF guns will be superior ONLY because smaller volley rails/beams will catch arty dps after a couple shots, non the less, is something can be killed with 2 or 3 arty volleys arties will be superior at use in this case every time.

After latest rails changes and some ships bonus changes Rails got a nice buff but still, RAILS&BEAMS need to cycle a couple times to catch up same dmg you can put with arties in a single volley, it's that simple.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal

And these changes aren't making LR weapon HACs any better or better choice than ABCs but they will have some uses.

I think you are forgetting arty is more than just dps. It has variable damage type and no cap usage. That's why it has such low dps in comparison, because it can choose how to shoot, isn't shut down by cap issues AND has alpha.

Against an omni tank out of neut range which survives volley? Yes, it is weaker. But then we don't want homogenized weapons, right?

really thats crazy i assume blasters with 2 mags against Rails with 3 mags?