Player Features and Ideas Discussion

By nature of their definition, carebears, and their counterpart nullbear, do not do PVP. They stick to PVE and never participate in PVP on their own volition.

I'm suggesting a " cram it down their throats" approach...

Essentially I am recommending two options that ccp could employ in highsec

1. Display mock pvp battles of npc's fighting each other that are really flashy and grab attention
(to show up around stations, belts and anywhere in high where players main focus isn't fighting npcs),

examples:
- battlecruiser warps in, bombers show up and gank the ship with torps but looses a ship to bc
- large capital ships with escorts just warping in and looking around
- 2 battleships duking it out to the death
- after the show ships warp out and nothing else happens

2. Micro tournaments
>Concord puts on the line 50-300m and offers two alliances to engage in a one round 5 on 5 fight
>It comes through on alliance notifications
>Agent appears in system before the fight and his name is given in the alliance notice
>The people management choose, have to talk to agent and be in an appropriate ship to abide by the rules (ship types, exc.)
>While waiting they can not warp off or change ships/mods (your stuck with what you brought) unless you leave and come back via agent
>Alliances have to submit their wanting to participate and what tier they would like to start in via some means (maybe some new app on the website) otherwise they will not be included
>The match takes place in the closest system in highsec that is not on an island and midway between the alliances home stations

I think these will work because it's a way of shocking someones senses with a vibrant display of EVE, if people see it, it's more likely to get people to live more dangerously - screw the logic of economics, its excessive drama and flair that will bring people out from in and without the game.

So once they see the npcs and players blowing themselves, they'll go and do it themselves!

It's also the worst, your talking about turning PVE into PVP by making npcs act like players...

If you remove the reason carebears play... EVE's done... period... Because carebears play a substantial role in this games sustainability

He is serious. It is the best way to get carebears to PvP. Imagine if that BS rat wasn't terrible at PvP. Give it a Meta 4/T2 fit with the ability to point/scram/web/neut/NOS/+ all 4 types of Ewar. Bump up the bounty for killing the rat to 10 mil isk and give the rat the AI to actually have a shot at killing the carebear or warp away if it isn't pointed. Make the carebear learn to fight.

It worked for incursions until the incursion bears started doing silly things with their fits that would never work with PvP. So there is proof that it has worked in the past. The issue is it would require a complete rework of all missions, DED sites, anioms, and buffing incursions. That I fear is more work than CCP will invest in the system with so many other pressing issues.

i'd like to see more npc interaction in the background though, like back in the day I used to play Freelancer online and npcs from different factions used to engage each other in combat and it was fun to watch, fun to get mixed up in and made the universe feel more alive and dynamic.

Carebears are risk adverse players, they are unique in that big rewards very rarely appeal to them enough to offset the risk of loss, that's why they choose the safe money that comes from mining, PI and market trading. They represent a type of gameplay that cannot be 'fixed'. Hence forcing them to engage in pvp would kill their enjoyment of the game and they would probably leave. The one thing I like about eve is that I can choose any type of gameplay that suits me, so I think it's wrong that one player group should try to force others to engage in the same style of play that they enjoy.

If they want to be wallflowers in the background happily mining away 23-7 or cluttering up the undock of Jita4-4 in their freighters than that's fair enough, at least it's human interaction and activity we're seeing which as a force shapes the game in some way, this has to be a good thing.

Why? If players aren't interested in PvP, it's because those that inhabit low-sec have turned into reavers. They suicide-gank anything just for the killmail and kill everything in gate-camps just for sport. I can see the appeal...

wow really?

So you're literally saying that "carebears" aren't capable of radical pvP concepts like 'omni-tanking' and will leave rather than adopt them?

In isolation you are correct, but lets add removal of perfect refining, moving level 4's to low sec, removal of gun mining, and many other anti-HS ideas and bang you will see it.

it's actually more like making the npc profiles actually match the ship they are flying
eg .. npc is flying a caracal .. and shoots at you with a missile, a laser and a hybrid
it makes no sense .. the caracal just shoots missiles, lots of missiles

dynamic content will not drive carebears away, theres probably a bunch that would actually enjoy it even more
however imho making dynamic npc content will not entice carebears into pvp
because there will still be a large disparity between a pve fitting and a pvp fitting, biased in the favour of the pvp fitting

At least 1 dev has stated in the past, that the distinction between pve/pvp builds needs to be addressed
how they will achieve that is probably an occasionally raised point at the meetings they have as they plan for future development





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I would, at this point, like to remind the OP and all those who are thinking in the same way, of an old saying

as a quasi-bear, I don't go much for pvp because I'm not naturally aggressive. Most of my fights were in self defense. Also to me atleast, its not really to obvious how to fit for a fight and come out with at least your structure intact. I only go into fights if there's even odds I'll get out of it again.

As for pve being more like pvp, I wouldn't mind rats better fitting the ships they use, and maybe a bit smarter, like running off, and then coming back with reinforcements, or even occasionally chasing you from system to system

I was actually saying that if you did those things they would leave the game rather than do them, so its best not to do those changes because there is no benefit in forcing people out of the game.

In terms of my definition of carebear, I mean those players that will only do PvE and avoid PvP like the plague, not the people who do PvE to fund their PvP who I see as a better class of PvP'r then those that are easy mode SRP PvP'rs. Perhaps when people make comments about carebears it would be helpful to define what exactly do they mean by that term!

EDIT: Aversun and Blastil, nice posts, Aversun the day of my last kill, my other account was sitting at a low sec gate and an industrial jumped through, so I locked him but did not fire or point him and he warped off. To me shooting an industrial was not fun, a bit later I got some PvP with a very good dual boxer and I was happy to trade maller kills, he was slightly ahead, he almost killed a corp mates hurricane too, but I managed to web and scram his curse long enough for my corp mate to get out of point range to warp out in structure.