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Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-07-18 14:14:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Otichoda
Enochx Kaine wrote:
But they are all WoW nonetheless. You grind, you buy gear, you are teh same as everyone else. It's communism dude. It ain't no good.

This game, however, is different. It takes time to be good. It takes time to train your skills. And I promise you one thing dude, even if you had Tech 2 weapons on your ship, you would still lose. Because it takes time to learn tactics and how to fly and fight. Two ships with the same gear are not equal if one pilot knows how to play and the other doesn't.


how is it different?

I'm grinding time for SP and ISK which allows me to buy and equib gear and ships made by other people but there are only so many ships so yeah on a mechanices level its still pretty much WOW.

Enochx Kaine wrote:

Trust me dude. I just started FW and pvp last week. I came into FW space and found a good corp. I came in with a few ships, and about 90 mill in isk. A week later my record is 0-10. I am down to 2 mill isk. I suck. Horribly. But it isn't because I don't have tech 2 stuff.....some thiings I actually DO have tech 2 stuff. I lose because I haven't figured out how to properly fight yet. There are tactics and strategies you have to learn. It isn't just mindless button mashing.


if that what pvp is like then I'm not doing it. I'm not willing to risk my hard earned ISK on nothing but dead ships and blown up pods. That isn't fun. when I log off I want to see my wallet with a large value that when I logged on or atleast a new ship in my hanger. Sorry but that is the way I work.

And your right this is the first mmo (I've never eactually played WOW) that has really grabbed me into signing up. The only 1 that I really stuck at was STOR as f2p for about 2 months and I sucked at pvp there too. But atleast there it felt like player skill was partly the reason (damn action keys users) but here its feels like the very mechanics are disadvantaging me. And yes I do like to blame everything else but me, its how I keep going in life.
Bearded Vengeance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2013-07-18 14:25:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Bearded Vengeance
Paul Otichoda wrote:
I'm not willing to risk my hard earned ISK on nothing but dead ships and blown up pods.



No risk, no reward. I believe that's a common thing that people say. Especially about Eve.
FuzzyButt
The Lazy Crabs
#43 - 2013-07-18 14:46:03 UTC
Mate

"That isn't fun. when I log off I want to see my wallet with a large value that when I logged on or atleast a new ship in my hanger. Sorry but that is the way I work."

you think this will happpen by PvPing ?????

Mate...

1. HighSec
2. Do missions / go Mining
3.???
4. Profitt ( the result you want)

PVP... CAN make you money, if you know how too do it. Aka. learn it and this includes risk and cost. the people playing this game has clawed themselves trought losses and isk. they didn't magically become amazing and wealthy.


Hopefully this isn't a troll.. Would make me look bad ingame <3
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2013-07-18 14:48:04 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Enochx Kaine wrote:
But they are all WoW nonetheless. You grind, you buy gear, you are teh same as everyone else. It's communism dude. It ain't no good.

This game, however, is different. It takes time to be good. It takes time to train your skills. And I promise you one thing dude, even if you had Tech 2 weapons on your ship, you would still lose. Because it takes time to learn tactics and how to fly and fight. Two ships with the same gear are not equal if one pilot knows how to play and the other doesn't.


how is it different?

I'm grinding time for SP and ISK which allows me to buy and equib gear and ships made by other people but there are only so many ships so yeah on a mechanices level its still pretty much WOW.

Enochx Kaine wrote:

Trust me dude. I just started FW and pvp last week. I came into FW space and found a good corp. I came in with a few ships, and about 90 mill in isk. A week later my record is 0-10. I am down to 2 mill isk. I suck. Horribly. But it isn't because I don't have tech 2 stuff.....some thiings I actually DO have tech 2 stuff. I lose because I haven't figured out how to properly fight yet. There are tactics and strategies you have to learn. It isn't just mindless button mashing.


if that what pvp is like then I'm not doing it. I'm not willing to risk my hard earned ISK on nothing but dead ships and blown up pods. That isn't fun. when I log off I want to see my wallet with a large value that when I logged on or atleast a new ship in my hanger. Sorry but that is the way I work.

And your right this is the first mmo (I've never eactually played WOW) that has really grabbed me into signing up. The only 1 that I really stuck at was STOR as f2p for about 2 months and I sucked at pvp there too. But atleast there it felt like player skill was partly the reason (damn action keys users) but here its feels like the very mechanics are disadvantaging me. And yes I do like to blame everything else but me, its how I keep going in life.


Let me put this in a way you will hopefully understand:

EVE pvp and WoW pvp are essentially THE SAME.

You get your arena gear in WoW, nobody can get any better gear because that is the top level gear.

You get your tech 2 modules and train up your skills, nobody can train more skills or get any better modules because that is the limit.

Now what separates people when they reach this level? Their personal skill and experience.

Two guys with all t2 mods and all relevant skills at 5 who will win? Obviously the one that flies better.

So this is the same pvp concept as every other game, your level of pvp is like going into arena with quest greens, how do you think that will turn out? Sure sometimes you can outplay someone in full arena epics with green gear but that's exactly the same in eve. A condor with a TD and meta 0 modules as long as he can keep range on a blaster ship will eventually kill it.

Also pvp in this game VERY RARELY is profitable. If you came into EVE pvp expecting to make money then hoooo boy you got another thing coming. FW can make you money but you usually have to do this IN A FLEET, don't expect to take any plexes solo if you're a noob with meta 0 modules and low sp.

Make some friends, start playing this game how it's supposed to be played. All those "solo" pvpers have perfect skills combined with extremely expensive implants with possible booster alts, EVE is not designed to work well as a solo player but it CAN be done (with excessive effort as previously described).

Also I know this hasn't got much to do with anything but your attitude is horrible: blaming everyone else but yourself is a sure fire path to failure, not just in games but in life.

Art of Explosions
Lee Hekard
Doomheim
#45 - 2013-07-18 15:59:00 UTC
There is not 'worst' weapon in EVE. Neither is there a 'best'. Look at the rocket stats again more carefully, and fit your ship to take full advantage of what the rocket weapon system has to offer. Comparing rockets to light missiles is arbitrary. Both are as capable as blasters and each other in a fight, if they are utilized to their potential.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-07-18 16:02:16 UTC
Lee Hekard wrote:
There is not 'worst' weapon in EVE. Neither is there a 'best'. Look at the rocket stats again more carefully, and fit your ship to take full advantage of what the rocket weapon system has to offer. Comparing rockets to light missiles is arbitrary. Both are as capable as blasters and each other in a fight, if they are utilized to their potential.


you haven't see the rest of the thread have you?

we stopped talking about rockets after page 1
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2013-07-18 17:02:03 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Lee Hekard wrote:
There is not 'worst' weapon in EVE. Neither is there a 'best'. Look at the rocket stats again more carefully, and fit your ship to take full advantage of what the rocket weapon system has to offer. Comparing rockets to light missiles is arbitrary. Both are as capable as blasters and each other in a fight, if they are utilized to their potential.


you haven't see the rest of the thread have you?

we stopped talking about rockets after page 1


People always ignore my post because I point out the truth.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Texty
State War Academy
Caldari State
#48 - 2013-07-18 17:43:54 UTC
It's pretty amazing how constantly OP makes mistakes with his wordings and yet each sentence's grammatical structure itself is almost always intact and very "Englishy".
Enochx Kaine
Doomheim
#49 - 2013-07-18 18:01:06 UTC
I can't keep saying the same thing over and over again. OP...you just don't get it. You don't want to listen to us trying to HELP you get it, so take you wallet back to high sec and make it fatter. Go. Shooo. Begone with you. Go orbit the Concord battleship at your closest 1.0 gate.

You bring up WoW comparisons, but claim to have never actually played wow. I am now convinced this is nothing but a troll. I banish thee back under the bridge.

He's the grumpy old troll
who lives under the bridge
HHHAAAAIIIIIII
He's the grumpy old troll
who lives under the bridge.

no more riddles troll. no more.
Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#50 - 2013-07-18 18:34:55 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
And your right this is the first mmo (I've never eactually played WOW) that has really grabbed me into signing up. The only 1 that I really stuck at was STOR as f2p for about 2 months and I sucked at pvp there too. But atleast there it felt like player skill was partly the reason (damn action keys users) but here its feels like the very mechanics are disadvantaging me. And yes I do like to blame everything else but me, its how I keep going in life.



You are just a big ball of laughter and light. Here, look at these kills:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18154898

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18793136

These are the kind of pvp kills in simple tech 1 ships with tech 1 fittings that you, as a new player, could be in on if you would lighten up, be more approachable, and make some friends in-game. And don't make the assumption that these kills were blobs rolling over a cornered victim; they were not. EVE is very much a group game. By insisting to yourself that anything other than solo play is "cheating" you have set yourself up for failure and you have decided it is the game's fault.

The problem here goes beyond games, I'm afraid.

> anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course?

> grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl
Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-07-18 22:40:13 UTC
1) PVP is not the way to make isk. A carrier using sentries killing rats can make 300m isk/hr(ive heard 500m isk/hr thrown about but thats probably not sustainable). use other methods to fund your pvp needs

2) EVE is brutal and thats what many people including myself like about it. A newb can be scammed and killed by experienced players. So dont walk into pvp expecting a fair fight. Losing a ship that costs you real losses in game is one of the things that makes eve great.

3) the best weapons always help in a fight. If you cant afford faction ammo and t2 weapons then accept the fact that you wont win against people that do and can afford those losses.

4) join a newb friendly pvp environment IE RVB, Eve- uni

5) everyone loses lots of frigs when they first start pvp. You wont be any different. If you cant afford that then keep earning isk in other ways and pvp as you can afford it
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#52 - 2013-07-18 22:40:51 UTC
Defender missiles.
arktyus
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-07-19 00:23:10 UTC
Question on rockets or faction ammo in general. Why in the world is it so expensive on the market? Saw rockets going to over 1,000 isk a rocket in ren. That is insane! I buy my ammo with LP and it doesn't seem too expensive, but on the market it's crazy.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#54 - 2013-07-19 00:35:54 UTC
arktyus wrote:
Question on rockets or faction ammo in general. Why in the world is it so expensive on the market? Saw rockets going to over 1,000 isk a rocket in ren. That is insane! I buy my ammo with LP and it doesn't seem too expensive, but on the market it's crazy.


The problem is that you are shopping somewhere other than Jita.
Phoenix Einherjar
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2013-07-19 02:23:34 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
if that what pvp is like then I'm not doing it. I'm not willing to risk my hard earned ISK on nothing but dead ships and blown up pods. That isn't fun. when I log off I want to see my wallet with a large value that when I logged on or atleast a new ship in my hanger. Sorry but that is the way I work.


Hooooooly crap. OK. Where do I start.
I suggest you cancel your subscription now, because with this mentality you will NOT enjoy EVE. You've already proven to be unreasonably resistant to changing your viewpoint so one can only assume you are an entitled 12 year old. Nonetheless! I shall attempt to do what others have already tried, and explain WHY YOU ARE WRONG.

PVP IS NOT A PROFITABLE ACTIVITY
Ok, it can be, but only as part of a fleet/gang and only some of the time. If you are good at PvP (and no newbie is) then you might make a profit from someone's bounty, or get a shiny drop, but if you are flying solo, then chances are you will get wiped out by a gang and end your day with less money in your wallet than when you started. Think of it this way: If you undock it, you've lost it. Any profit you make or if you get to dock that ship again is just icing on the cake.

Paul Otichoda wrote:
And your right this is the first mmo (I've never eactually played WOW) that has really grabbed me into signing up. The only 1 that I really stuck at was STOR as f2p for about 2 months and I sucked at pvp there too. But atleast there it felt like player skill was partly the reason (damn action keys users) but here its feels like the very mechanics are disadvantaging me. And yes I do like to blame everything else but me, its how I keep going in life.


You seem to love WoW comparisons despite not having ever played WoW, OR seemingly even having a grasp on PVP in other MMOs. Here's some analogies for you though:

  • You went to low-sec looking for a fight = You left the starting area as a level 5, and went to a level 60+ area
  • You flew a Meta0, T1 frigate into lowsec = You are a level 5, in white/green items, going into an area with level 60's in epics
  • You complained when you couldn't fight solo = You complained when you tried to run up the side of a battleground and found 5 players defending their flag
  • You have no experiance in PvP, and got killed by players more skilled than you = You're in quest greens, and decided to dual another player of the same level in quest greens. Too bad that guy is an alt of a level 85 arena champion, huh?


Yiou think player skill doesn't matter. The reason you think it doesn't matter is because you don't know any better. EVE PVP is not about clicking "orbit at X" and F1 until those white bars turn red - a LOT of skill goes into your approach, and manual pilotting, but even more skill goes into picking your fights!

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arktyus
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-07-19 02:43:53 UTC
Phoenix Einherjar wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
if that what pvp is like then I'm not doing it. I'm not willing to risk my hard earned ISK on nothing but dead ships and blown up pods. That isn't fun. when I log off I want to see my wallet with a large value that when I logged on or atleast a new ship in my hanger. Sorry but that is the way I work.


Hooooooly crap. OK. Where do I start.
I suggest you cancel your subscription now, because with this mentality you will NOT enjoy EVE. You've already proven to be unreasonably resistant to changing your viewpoint so one can only assume you are an entitled 12 year old. Nonetheless! I shall attempt to do what others have already tried, and explain WHY YOU ARE WRONG.

PVP IS NOT A PROFITABLE ACTIVITY
Ok, it can be, but only as part of a fleet/gang and only some of the time. If you are good at PvP (and no newbie is) then you might make a profit from someone's bounty, or get a shiny drop, but if you are flying solo, then chances are you will get wiped out by a gang and end your day with less money in your wallet than when you started. Think of it this way: If you undock it, you've lost it. Any profit you make or if you get to dock that ship again is just icing on the cake.

Paul Otichoda wrote:
And your right this is the first mmo (I've never eactually played WOW) that has really grabbed me into signing up. The only 1 that I really stuck at was STOR as f2p for about 2 months and I sucked at pvp there too. But atleast there it felt like player skill was partly the reason (damn action keys users) but here its feels like the very mechanics are disadvantaging me. And yes I do like to blame everything else but me, its how I keep going in life.


You seem to love WoW comparisons despite not having ever played WoW, OR seemingly even having a grasp on PVP in other MMOs. Here's some analogies for you though:

  • You went to low-sec looking for a fight = You left the starting area as a level 5, and went to a level 60+ area
  • You flew a Meta0, T1 frigate into lowsec = You are a level 5, in white/green items, going into an area with level 60's in epics
  • You complained when you couldn't fight solo = You complained when you tried to run up the side of a battleground and found 5 players defending their flag
  • You have no experiance in PvP, and got killed by players more skilled than you = You're in quest greens, and decided to dual another player of the same level in quest greens. Too bad that guy is an alt of a level 85 arena champion, huh?


Yiou think player skill doesn't matter. The reason you think it doesn't matter is because you don't know any better. EVE PVP is not about clicking "orbit at X" and F1 until those white bars turn red - a LOT of skill goes into your approach, and manual pilotting, but even more skill goes into picking your fights!


I like this comparison, pretty spot on. I will say that sp does matter, but as others stated once you have the essential skills, then I comes down to player skill. One big one is over heating mods. Made a huge difference once I trained it.
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2013-07-19 03:02:49 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
And yes I do like to blame everything else but me, its how I keep going in life.

Troll confirmed.

Stop wasting your time guys
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-07-19 06:45:52 UTC
arktyus wrote:
Question on rockets or faction ammo in general. Why in the world is it so expensive on the market? Saw rockets going to over 1,000 isk a rocket in ren. That is insane! I buy my ammo with LP and it doesn't seem too expensive, but on the market it's crazy.


I wish I could but my Corp operates from gallente space so I can't uses LP to get navy faction missiles.

Also the reason I'm trying to pvp is pve just gets boring after a while. Commissioning and mining is just not enough so I go to lowsec to find a good fight but all I find is instant death death which just get me down. Yet people keep saying eve is a pvp game and on eve kill I keep seeing people killing hundreds of ships and massive battles yet I can't get into it. Overall I feel like I'm just a bystander while everyone else is superman.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2013-07-19 10:58:24 UTC
Then stop pvping by yourself, hundreds of ships in a battle FUNNILY ENOUGH involves more than 1 person.

Art of Explosions
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#60 - 2013-07-19 11:01:44 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Then stop pvping by yourself, hundreds of ships in a battle FUNNILY ENOUGH involves more than 1 person.


yeah and there is no random player attack fleets in this game as far as I know?

My corp is industiral and small, I like them and so don't want to leave them.

Have make a mimmitar alt with the idea of using him for RvB but I've fun into the twin character training issue ( I don't have the ISK for plex)