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Let's Play, l4, Vengeance, Angel Cartel

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Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
#1 - 2013-07-18 23:36:48 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euAaxv68dcU

Easy mission, but it takes a long time. However, this is a great mission to farm.

Hell is around every turn. It's your choice to go in it or not. Please check out the Rookies in EVE video playlist. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLioOFeHwQV5yNk2vpz8wX9hihLVQEIKLt

Arec Bardwin
#2 - 2013-07-19 11:36:52 UTC
I like your overview setup Big smile
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-07-19 11:40:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsukino Stareine
It takes a long time if you do what you're doing yes....for anyone else who's competent it's doable in a bounty tick.

I skipped to the end and it almost took you TWO HOURS to do this mission.

That's......... I don't even.

Just to clarify on what I said: you can clear the mission in one bounty tick and come back in a noctis and loot/salvage in 15 minutes
The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
#4 - 2013-07-19 12:47:58 UTC  |  Edited by: The Djego
I like the improvement in commenting and explaining about how and why you do it your way, compared to your older videos. I think in this format it will be a lot more helpful to newer players, that might be interested in the topic.

As for mission speed, yes it is not max speed but since you hardly make the vids for people playing L4 since years, I don't think it is a big issue. It might even be a bit more realistic to watch something like that doing L4 instead of a pimped out max dps setup, especially for younger players.

Improve discharge rigging: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246166&find=unread

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-07-19 13:13:51 UTC
But he's saying "It takes a long time"

when it's not true. It's giving people the wrong idea, like most of his videos.
The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
#6 - 2013-07-19 13:19:28 UTC
Well it takes him a long time and it will certainly take a long time for people starting with L4 missions that are interested in the videos and the topic. Since the topic is not, "How to run L4 Vengeance the quickest way possible." I don't really see a issue. I would even like to add that this might be a lot more interesting for newer players, getting a bit explained why he fits his ship that way, why and how he uses drones and how the mission will look like when they do it instead of watching a Mach F1ing everything into the ground.


Improve discharge rigging: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246166&find=unread

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-07-19 13:25:01 UTC
It's titled "TRH EVE Online Let's Play, l4, Vengeance, Angel Cartel", which firstly is pseudo-advertising his poor excuse for a company which is debatable whether or not it's allowed and secondly it would be more accurate to call it "how NOT to run l4 vengeance".

He uses t1 hobgoblins to attack angel battleships at close range for gods sake and the fit, O M G the fit. A new player is going to look at it and won't know any better but seriously this is such a fail.
The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
#8 - 2013-07-19 13:38:23 UTC  |  Edited by: The Djego
I don't have issues with a little bit of advertising, it is not aggressive or disturbing in any way, and making this videos takes a bit of time, so fair enough.

I for myself did little commenting or explaining about the fitting in the L4 videos I made(mostly because I just made them as prove of concept for people calling me a eft warrior). I think there is a solid demand for material like this and even if it is not perfect, the intend behind it might be not showing how it is done in the best way but how it is done with a ship a lot of new players fly for L4 and there are quite a few videos out there where people try to show off time runs for a few missions. I for myself would not mind if you would start your own video series and I think it would be a lot more productive than nitpicking the videos of the OP.

Edit: Before I forget, "Lets Play" is mostly watching another person playing something, what is entertaining by good commenting, being funny and just seeing how other people do it. It is not in particular stuff like Krib or other hardcore gamers do, but a more casual take on the topic.

Improve discharge rigging: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246166&find=unread

Rengerel en Distel
#9 - 2013-07-19 13:42:38 UTC
The Djego wrote:
I don't have issues with a little bit of advertising, it is not aggressive or disturbing in any way, and making this videos takes a bit of time, so fair enough.

I for myself did little commenting or explaining about the fitting in the L4 videos I made(mostly because I just made them as prove of concept for people calling me a eft warrior). I think there is a solid demand for material like this and even if it is not perfect, the intend behind it might be not showing how it is done in the best way but how it is done with a ship a lot of new players fly for L4 and there are quite a few videos out there where people try to show off time runs for a few missions. I for myself would not mind if you would start your own video series and I think it would be a lot more productive than nitpicking the videos of the OP.


If he didn't want people to nitpick his videos, he picked the wrong place to post them. His mic still sucks, can barely understand what he's saying most of the time. If it's supposed to be rookie help, then what he says should be accurate, and his ship fits should be rookie appropriate, and preferably not bad.

He's been told all of this in the COUNTLESS other threads he's posted trying to semi-advertise his company through the eve forums, and has yet to make any improvements. That leads me to believe it is all about advertising, and little or nothing to do with actually helping anyone.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
#10 - 2013-07-19 14:18:30 UTC
Well it is exactly like you sound when you record voice with a normal headset or cheaper microphone, I can understand him and a lot of "lets play" stuff only sounds so crystal clear because the people what make them have a separate recording room for the voice acting and add this after the video or fairly expensive audio equipment, like professional desk mounted microphones.

I see more advertising on the eve launcher than in his videos so I don't see the big deal. It is not like you get commercial breaks in it or something ridiculous like that. If he tries to get some more views and subs on this channel I have no problem with it, because this videos record, edit and upload herself not without any effort. It takes me around 3-6h per hour of footage when I do something like that and he enjoys doing them and uploads them for free.

Comparing this video with some of his older ones I can see a fair bit in improvement in the commenting, adding some background music and explaining what he does, so you can hardly say he didn't change anything.

Improve discharge rigging: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246166&find=unread

Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
#11 - 2013-07-19 14:26:23 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
He uses t1 hobgoblins to attack angel battleships at close range for gods sake and the fit, O M G the fit. A new player is going to look at it and won't know any better but seriously this is such a fail.


It's nice of you to leave out that I said I was using them to keep their damage up while I moved closer to the gate. Also, it's nice that you paid so much attention to that. But, you must of forgot I said why I have them. Which is to take out the smaller ships when they get too close to me. Because my sentry drones can't hit them when they are orbiting me at 2k.

If you are going to try to bend the truth. At least do a better job at it.

Hell is around every turn. It's your choice to go in it or not. Please check out the Rookies in EVE video playlist. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLioOFeHwQV5yNk2vpz8wX9hihLVQEIKLt

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-07-19 15:42:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsukino Stareine
it's not the fact that you're using light drones it's the methodology behind it

why are you using TECH ONE hobgoblins when you clearly have access to t2 warriors which are MUCH better in this scenario?

My gardes have no trouble tracking battleships orbiting at 2km, you've either got skill issues or you never tried.

And one more thing: what's stopping you from using heavies instead? 2km is an easy distance to recall them should they get aggro.
Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
#13 - 2013-07-19 15:57:54 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
it's not the fact that you're using light drones it's the methodology behind it

why are you using TECH ONE hobgoblins when you clearly have access to t2 warriors which are MUCH better in this scenario?

My gardes have no trouble tracking battleships orbiting at 2km, you've either got skill issues or you never tried.

And one more thing: what's stopping you from using heavies instead? 2km is an easy distance to recall them should they get aggro.



You're so busy trying to pick my post/videos apart, you miss parts that is important. That or you're getting worst at bending the truth.

I said the following.
Craig Bennett2th wrote:
But, you must of forgot I said why I have them. Which is to take out the smaller ships when they get too close to me. Because my sentry drones can't hit them when they are orbiting me at 2k.


A BS isn't a smaller ship. Also, I never seen a BS orbit 2k away.

Sentries have a hard time hitting anything like a frigate that is in a pretty close range. I've notice the sentries have to turn to hit their target. Like it takes 3 rounds before they hit something sometimes.
So I think it has to deal with the speed of the smaller ships orbiting me or the drones.

The problem with t2 drones, is cruisers tend to target t2 scouts and combat drones. But, the other problem is the sentry drones tend to take them out faster. So all I need is T1 drones to take out frigates. But, I will use it to keep up the damage while I move a short distance.

Hell is around every turn. It's your choice to go in it or not. Please check out the Rookies in EVE video playlist. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLioOFeHwQV5yNk2vpz8wX9hihLVQEIKLt

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-07-19 16:16:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsukino Stareine
So you're talking about something completely different to what I was.

I said: "He uses t1 hobgoblins to attack angel battleships at close range for gods sake"

Go to 7:13 on your own video, learn to read.

I will say this though: you finally took some advice and first recorded the footage and then commentated over it. You didn't deviate as much as you did in your previous videos and it was overall better than most of them.

There may be hope for you yet.

But for the love of god, learn how to fit your ships properly and start getting your facts straight.
Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
#15 - 2013-07-19 16:27:19 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
So you're talking about something completely different to what I was.

I said: "He uses t1 hobgoblins to attack angel battleships at close range for gods sake"

Go to 7:13 on your own video, learn to read.

I will say this though: you finally took some advice and first recorded the footage and then commentated over it. You didn't deviate as much as you did in your previous videos and it was overall better than most of them.

There may be hope for you yet.

But for the love of god, learn how to fit your ships properly and start getting your facts straight.


Again, you are bending the truth and trying to poke everything part where you can't.

Please read what I said, then read it again. If you still think I'm not covering both why I have those drones, and why i used them like that. Then slow down and read it a few more times.

I'm not going to reply to you because you've already said you skipped toward the end. Then you are skipping around on the post and bending what people are saying. BTW, I have reported you for harassment. This is not the first time.

Hell is around every turn. It's your choice to go in it or not. Please check out the Rookies in EVE video playlist. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLioOFeHwQV5yNk2vpz8wX9hihLVQEIKLt

Nadia Gallen
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#16 - 2013-07-19 16:40:56 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
So you're talking about something completely different to what I was.

I said: "He uses t1 hobgoblins to attack angel battleships at close range for gods sake"

Go to 7:13 on your own video, learn to read.

I will say this though: you finally took some advice and first recorded the footage and then commentated over it. You didn't deviate as much as you did in your previous videos and it was overall better than most of them.

There may be hope for you yet.

But for the love of god, learn how to fit your ships properly and start getting your facts straight.


Sounds like you know what you are talking about, have you uploaded a video on youtube ? because I would love to see how you do your sites.
And if you can explain your ship setup and tatics it would be rather neat too.

My mission runner is doing level 4's in a Nighthawk, it isn't extremely fast way to do it, you see I am speedtanking my sites, but it can run everything capstable, and I enjoy the missiles.
But I always look forward to new exteriences, and see if I can pick up some new methods.

PS. I dont like the flying turd, per principle, but it is a nice video never the less.
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-07-19 16:45:58 UTC
Craig Bennett2th wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
So you're talking about something completely different to what I was.

I said: "He uses t1 hobgoblins to attack angel battleships at close range for gods sake"

Go to 7:13 on your own video, learn to read.

I will say this though: you finally took some advice and first recorded the footage and then commentated over it. You didn't deviate as much as you did in your previous videos and it was overall better than most of them.

There may be hope for you yet.

But for the love of god, learn how to fit your ships properly and start getting your facts straight.


Again, you are bending the truth and trying to poke everything part where you can't.

Please read what I said, then read it again. If you still think I'm not covering both why I have those drones, and why i used them like that. Then slow down and read it a few more times.

I'm not going to reply to you because you've already said you skipped toward the end. Then you are skipping around on the post and bending what people are saying. BTW, I have reported you for harassment. This is not the first time.


Harassment? She is trying to help you but you take offence to everything she says. She is one of the most helpful around if you are not so thin skinned anyway.

One thing I think everyone agrees on is you should learn to fit your ships better before you give advice.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-07-19 17:05:37 UTC
Craig Bennett2th wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
So you're talking about something completely different to what I was.

I said: "He uses t1 hobgoblins to attack angel battleships at close range for gods sake"

Go to 7:13 on your own video, learn to read.

I will say this though: you finally took some advice and first recorded the footage and then commentated over it. You didn't deviate as much as you did in your previous videos and it was overall better than most of them.

There may be hope for you yet.

But for the love of god, learn how to fit your ships properly and start getting your facts straight.


Again, you are bending the truth and trying to poke everything part where you can't.

Please read what I said, then read it again. If you still think I'm not covering both why I have those drones, and why i used them like that. Then slow down and read it a few more times.

I'm not going to reply to you because you've already said you skipped toward the end. Then you are skipping around on the post and bending what people are saying. BTW, I have reported you for harassment. This is not the first time.


My question:

Why do you not use heavy drones (berserkers) on the battleships while moving (as per 7:13 on your video)?

Your answer:

Blah blah blah frigates, blah blah blah cruisers target t2 scouts

Utterly irrelevant to my question.

Report me all you want, I don't think I'm breaking any forum guidelines in any of my posts.
Gimme more Cynos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-07-19 17:13:57 UTC
There is still no need to be such a rude dude.. compared to the last videos, he improved by a lot. The last videos were just like blabla, warp into missions - fast forward till mission is done. This time, he had commentary (although it can be hard to understand him properly) which was helpful.

It's not like there was no improvement.

Anyway, I have atleast one helpful link for you craig - check this article http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Overview_Guide - it might help you to improve your overview.

Yes, he should use a proper damage fit for his own sake (seriously, there is a lot of potencial if you reduce the tank on your domi), but the video is actually decent, as it gives players an idea of what to expect. Thus, this video wasn't as bad as some guyz here claim it to be.
Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
#20 - 2013-07-19 17:20:10 UTC
Donbe Scurred wrote:


Harassment? She is trying to help you but you take offence to everything she says. She is one of the most helpful around if you are not so thin skinned anyway.

One thing I think everyone agrees on is you should learn to fit your ships better before you give advice.


I've basically explain in text and a video on why I was Using t1 drones. Anyways, I wouldn't say it is harassment when someone is only helping. I will say it's harassment when someone refuses to watch and listen to the parts that they are crying about. Then Picks parts out of a post to cry. Even more so when they have to attached lies to their parts (which is stupid since everyone can read or watch what I said) .

As far as my ship and fit. My ship can withstand several (9) bs hitting it at the same time. It's also omi tanked. So I can jump in almost any mission (giving there is no EM). Anyways, anyone that used a domi can tell you it's a very slow ship.

I found gunning ships tend to be faster, but there is a trade off. Gun ships cost more at the end of the day,while drones are a 1 time cost. You have to be there with a gunship, while you can afk a mission with a drone boat. I actually afk a few parts of this mission.

Gimme more Cynos wrote:

Anyway, I have atleast one helpful link for you craig - check this article http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Overview_Guide - it might help you to improve your overview.

the video is actually decent, as it gives players an idea of what to expect. Thus, this video wasn't as bad as some guyz here claim it to be.


Thanks. What did you see wrong with the overview?

Hell is around every turn. It's your choice to go in it or not. Please check out the Rookies in EVE video playlist. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLioOFeHwQV5yNk2vpz8wX9hihLVQEIKLt

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