Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well, if you lose the racial 5, you can't board the ship anymore so... you got full racial bonus or you don't fly it cuz you can't, sounds like role bonus...

While I agree a 16 slot layout would be very very useful and go a long way, and that the Deimos needs a tracking bonus to make it compete, I disagree with the EM Damage Bonus for the Sac you suggest.

This would limit its damage too much to one side of the spectrum in my opinion. As a matter of fact I think all missile boats should give omni damage to missiles so they have better capibility to hit resist holes and make them very versitile (would probably go a long way to making a Pheonix become much more useful on the Capital Stage). Edit: Except stealth bombers, giving all of them Omni Damage Bonus would probably make them very similar and bland.

As for ECM Drone Bonus... yes I would enjoy our new Falcon.. I mean Ishtar overlords..

Using EIPH for the sake of some close to reality numbers and let's assume it's a non researched T2 BPC production cost is about 175Million isk, average price sell in Hita is 168M

168M (without fit) for a ship having good bonus for the job is supposed to do is OK, the reason why it has been the most used HAC for years.

Now if I pick Deimos, Munin, Eagle (just for these) for what they're worth for on the battlefield it's a pure waste of minerals and components, what are those supposed to do actually compared to the Zealot?-ho arty munins against caracals are quite good ... and die horribly to those too, for one munin pop you need to kill about 4 to 5 caracals that are not only as good in dps terms but also in tank, so why bring Munins under my Caracals missiles?

Aren't those supposed to have the same role and do the same job differently?-yes they are but they can't.

The current med weapons changes will help a bit, some minor changes on the hulls will help a bit and make them better than before but doesn't mean they will be able to compete vs Zealot nor vs T1 versions and this is what is boring me a bit.
They're undoubtedly better at current numbers but if this step forward is jut to put again the Zealot 2 steps ahead then it's kinda sad for the greater good of the game.
Some testing is needed, even if I doubt any majors alliances will go on Sisi make huge HAC fights so CCP gathers numbers


Anyway why is Deimos loosing armor? -because it's intended to be shield fitted someone is telling me or at least no one could come with a decent armor version able to achieve his task.
It gets killed before getting in range to apply dmg with blasters (in fleets dies pretty), it's slow it's so dam slow after getting scram and double web it's a fleet slot waste when a scorch pulse Zealot wouldn't have half the issues and actually do dmg.

For small gangs/solo these changes look good, for fleets I'm not sure.

Do not like the Ishtar changes.

Am I the only person that puts a full rack of medium tech 2 blasters with Void M on an Ishtar so that I can overheat the high slots when I need a short, sharp burst of damage?

The Ishtar is already a frigate annihilator and doesn't need a tracking bonus making it even better against small ships. Where it needs help is in combats against larger ships.

PvE impact of the changes: Minimal nerf to non-sentry based Ishtar fits, minor buff to sentry based ones.
PvP impact: Significantly improved performance against Interceptors, slight improvement v. frigates/AFs/Dessies, moderate nerf v. cruisers and larger.

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In terms of exploration -

* Ishtar superiority vastly increased

* Couple others (looking at you Muninn) no longer viable due to removal of utility highs

Very sad

the vaga is non contradictory ship as purposed.

id rather see it comepletly in the old role with pg for fitting for arty
tracking instead of falloff so you can kite with its speed as before while useing arty to shred your opponent

and eventually some increase in longpoint (exclueding scram! so you cant use scram/acs for same purpose and abuse it) range about 20% would suffice but could easily be op so im not sure about that

when you make arty useable you should provide us with a ship to use it.

Clearly you were in the wrong wormholes.

1) Lol you think WHers are poor
2) I don't feel the need to overcompensate by expensive buying internet spaceships

Very intresting changes, although as someone who have tried fitting ishtars i demand more cpu! it really needs more cpu if its gonna be able to be properly fit in the future..

Also remove the drone bay size bonus and implent it into its stats.

not sure about the rest, would be fun if you gave the gallente ships a bonus to repair bonus when using the ancillary armor repper

What I would have liked to have seen.

Unique and interesting role bonuses

Increased electronics superiority in the form of much better lock ranges and sensor strengths, this is something more subtle that really could have lifted T2 ships over navy pirate faction ships.

Deimos - given the changes this will be a shield tanked platform, the extra mid is nice but I am unconvinced over the role bonus, this is still a chaser or a kiter.

The role bonus effectiveness I think will vary greatly yet is applied to all ships. So many other bonuses such as reduction in mass of armour plates or increase in overheat effect off propulsion modules (keeps them slower but allows a temporary burst of speed to catch other faster kiting ships off guard) perhaps would have been better for some of these ships.

Ishtar - CCP have done a really god job of keeping drone ships fairly unique, this feels weaker and not yet different than the Navy Vex, it is also a very confused ship.

Loses a slot, this was always expected but it has less base drone bay than Navy Vex, Myrm, Prophecy and gila give it the drone bay and free up the bonus.

Optimal and control range bonus suggests sentry but without the Domi’s lows for tank and DDA’s and not being able to reposition via microjump it just does not feel right in this role. This also clashes with the role bonus as mobility would be very limited and therefore the sig reduction not useful. If a medium class drone ship ends up with the optimal bonus It should be left for the EOS, if command ships are to be moved on grid they will still best be left at range and it’s e-war support role would be better complemented by sentry dps at range.

How to make it unique compared to Navy vex and Domi

Double Damage Bonus

This is an example of what I would suggest. I have tweaked sensor strength, CPU and targeting range, swapped bonuses, it only has five lows compared to Navy Vex so I feel the second damage bonus is justified, the drones will be slower but hit harder.

Still feel gallente ships should lean towards hybrids, three turrets but bonused will be easier on fittings.

Role Bonus: 50% increase in the overheat effect of propulsion modules

Gallente Cruiser Bonuses:
5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage
10% bonus to drone hitpoints and Damage

Heavy Assault Cruiser Bonuses:
5 km bonus to Drone operation range per level
5% bonus to drone Tracking and Damage (I went for 5% the way it stacks this gives 1.875 damage multiplier)

Slot layout: 4H(-1), 5M, 5L; 3 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 700 PWG, 300(+15) CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1400(-6) / 1600(-18) / 2300(+191)
Capacitor (amount) : 1300(+175)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 185(-6) / .52 / 11700000 / 8.43s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 125
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 70km(+10km) / 294 / 7
Sensor strength: 22(+6) Magnetometric
Signature radius: 145