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I suggest people to stay away from this thread....

Which is why I wrote Senators telling them we're not doing enough to address the actual content of games - for example - the kind of rule-sets involved in the game.

If one were to make a game about raping and killing women, but it didn't actually show any blood and kept the camera outside the house, I would not expect it to receive a teen rating due to the highly adult (and, in this analogy, sickening unethical) subject matter. The out of game value of in-game currency is additionally of concern when it comes to teens, but, as I stated, I'm done with this. I've played a dozen games with M ratings that have twenty times the ethical content that this game encourages. I know when I play WoW that I'm not going to have a thousand Ally killing me over and over again just for their amusement unless I just hang out in Stormwind. I don't know that in Eve.

And, since I can't participate in a corp without handing out a financial API, I'm somewhat limited in the methods of defense I can acquire.

Additionally, since I did call streaming player financial API's through third party software an "exploit" - I would imagine I would have to train a new character from the ground up to avoid the kind of anger from high power enemies that would have the know-how and established market advantage to have been doing that.

Goodbye.

"And, since I can't participate in a corp without handing out a financial API, I'm somewhat limited in the methods of defense I can acquire."

I see that horse is still going, someone catch it, it could be a winner at the next race

You can always start your own corporation.
Can I have your stuff when you go?

No its not a boon of information. Just checking them for security purposes is time consuming enough. What you have to understand is the few ruin it for the many. Corp theft is a full blown career path for many players. API security checks are par of the course for any decent corp.

And if you want to be real about it then just face the fact that nothing is sacred or safe in eve. Its a sandbox. People are GOING to kick over your sand castle....especially if you play alone. Want a corp to work with? A decent one will want full disclosure so they can trust you. From there anything is possible. If that makes you uncomfortable then you have three options. 1). Play alone. 2) risk joining a corp that doesnt have proper security measures and potentially become a victim along with the corp. 3) background check/research the corps before you ever speak to them. Eve security measures generally go far beyond the API. Google, killboards, forums posts will often tell you all you ever want to know about an individual or group in this game. They are GOING to do the same to you.

If you really want to simplifiy the matter then do your trading on a alt, not your main.

To answer your final question; No. I would go as far as to say that a leader that doesn't require full disclosure is unethical by default for endangering the assets of his members with substandard security measures.

After actually reading all of the thread:

Though it is a bit too late my advice to you would be to stop posting. Your smart, confident and good at whatever it is you do in the real world, but this isn't the real world...its eve. Though your logic is sound. Your understanding of the game and meta-mechanics is almost non-existent. You need time in the game and a lot of it. Your ambition and motivation will serve you well in your eve ventures, but right now you are just coming off as........well green....very very green.

I don't know really why I actually bother replying to THAT post... since you have your sociopathic visions of what Eve is and who the people in it are...

but anyway...

I will say it, you are totally wrong. If you think and feel this game consists of 14 year olds like you describe them, then you really give those 14 year olds too much credit, to know what to do with such an important financial information, like you call it.

And no, you don't know who all is playing this game. There might be some 14 year ones, but far less than in other games and there might be some trolls and idiots and whatever else (I won't try to describe and use words I don't usually), but there is a percentage of very intelligent people, another percentage of very nice people and another percentage of other great people in this game... and some of those are successful in real life too and very mature, they are business owners or bank directors. Believe it or not, but they exist.

And now... I'm really out of here and your sick visions. There's no need to complicate everything in the way you do and see evil and connections with it everywhere. Seriously, it's a game... if you don't like it, you have a choice: LEAVE! Simple!

PS: I meant -you- with "some" in what I said earlier, the "Eve is real, for some more than others..." ... you don't understand why I said it, or?

Really though, you guys must be all-in on this data mining the financial API thing...

You even pulled out your "tinfoil hat" thought-terminating cliche which is like all over the forums. If there's anything I learned from Robert J Lifton it's that wherever there's a large group of people repeating the same nonsensical mantra, it's the place you gotta be most vigilant that they're hiding something.

See? Even when you're talking about mind-control, people will actively employ mind-control techniques to discredit the person who claims they exist.

Anyway, I've read some people comparing some corps to cults. This would be an excellent platform to practice thought-control techniques on people who are likely a cut above the rest in intellectual persistence. If you haven't read "Thought Reform: A Study of Brainwashing in China," here's the basic synopsis of Lifton's, a professional psychologist, findings. Most pertinent on this forum is number six, given that people here are very fond of the tinfoil hat straw man fallacy. However, I'm certain that all of these can apply in some cases to multiple situations within Eve. It's not, of course, inciting to rebel in a game that clearly needs defined hierarchy, but it might help you be aware when someone is approaching you nefariously rather than benevolently:

" Milieu Control. This involves the control of information and communication both within the environment and, ultimately, within the individual, resulting in a significant degree of isolation from society at large.

Mystical Manipulation. There is manipulation of experiences that appear spontaneous but in fact were planned and orchestrated by the group or its leaders in order to demonstrate divine authority or spiritual advancement or some special gift or talent that will then allow the leader to reinterpret events, scripture, and experiences as he or she wishes.

Demand for Purity. The world is viewed as black and white and the members are constantly exhorted to conform to the ideology of the group and strive for perfection. The induction of guilt and/or shame is a powerful control device used here.

Confession. Sins, as defined by the group, are to be confessed either to a personal monitor or publicly to the group. There is no confidentiality; members' "sins," "attitudes," and "faults" are discussed and exploited by the leaders.

Sacred Science. The group's doctrine or ideology is considered to be the ultimate Truth, beyond all questioning or dispute. Truth is not to be found outside the group. The leader, as the spokesperson for God or for all humanity, is likewise above criticism.

Loading the Language. The group interprets or uses words and phrases in new ways so that often the outside world does not understand. This jargon consists of thought-terminating clichés, which serve to alter members' thought processes to conform to the group's way of thinking.

Doctrine over person. Member's personal experiences are subordinated to the sacred science and any contrary experiences must be denied or reinterpreted to fit the ideology of the group.

Dispensing of existence. The group has the prerogative to decide who has the right to exist and who does not. This is usually not literal but means that those in the outside world are not saved, unenlightened, unconscious and they must be converted to the group's ideology. If they do not join the group or are critical of the group, then they must be rejected by the members. Thus, the outside world loses all credibility. In conjunction, should any member leave the group, he or she must be rejected also." (Lifton, 1989)

Always remember, it needs to be a full conductor to shield you from mind control rays... A tin-foil hat won't cut it.

This is from a few years ago...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwEBFZEzL3E

Tell the U.S. Govt you're thankful they built a theocracy in Iraq in the name of freedom when you get the chance.


But, whatever, I'll play along... I'm sure there's no organized groups that conspire to play with your head. All arch-villains are known to have secret underground fortresses!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgWrnahej2c

Cognitive dissonance is when someone only accepts information that they believe to be true and discards any information that doesn't conform to a pre-existing belief. Typically it's a short lived social phenomenon because most people are able to reconcile this dissonance within a week or two.

Some people are special though.

This game is crap blabla people in it are crap blabla ........




and yet here you are spending 2 weeks of posting to convince a crapcrowd of a crapgame on a crapforum of it's crapmechanics .



Just remove the game from your computer , leave the forums and spend time on something you do like?



I know , at times i have verry ODD idea's .