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So can 2 RR Domis tank c3's fine?
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Magnus Saken
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-07-18 15:16:46 UTC
Just curious.

what is a domi fit for 2 RR domis for c3? i got t2 sentires on both.

I was a little skeptical i had both my RR domis that i read about, but with ogres II's and fighting each other the domis couldnt even keep rep up on 800 DPS from the ogres 2.. this was with 3 cap and 2 RR's. i didnt have a plate, and rigs were all for helping with RR. Could someone help with a fit thats proven to work.. the fit i got was from forums but like i said, i cant see how 1 can tank a c3 spawn but not tank 5 ogre II's.


Are armageddons a better solution for RR pair in a class 3?
Bamsey Amraa
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-07-18 15:45:45 UTC
Yep looks fine go for it.
Katy Janeway
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-07-18 15:51:31 UTC
Ff you use 3RR and 2 cap transfers it will be cap stable with 2 omnis and the rest of the mids being cap recharges. We use this fit to run C4 sites and it takes 3 of them. I have brought just 2 into a c3 and it was too easy.

[Dominix, RR WH c4 domi]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Damage Control II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Large Energy Transfer Array II
Large Energy Transfer Array II
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Remote Repair Augmentor I
Large Remote Repair Augmentor I
Large Remote Repair Augmentor I


Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Garde II x5
Bouncer II x5
Katy Janeway
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-07-18 15:55:02 UTC
For a c3 though, you could get by without the plate I suppose (mostly for the 3x BS spawn in frontier barracks). I'm sure you could use the fit and change it to taste since I am not very familiar with c3 sites. Like I said though, I was able to run 3 different sites in a c3 with this no problem.
Funshine Bear1
Arrakis Survey and Scouting
#5 - 2013-07-18 18:06:36 UTC
2 RR Domis (at max skills) can tank all but the hardest C4 sites. That is with 4xRR and 2xEnergy Transfer. I am sure that they would have no problem at all with any C3 site.

Modified my C4 fit a bit, I think this would work very well for you.

[Dominix, WH RR]
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Energy Transfer Array II
Large Energy Transfer Array II

Large Remote Repair Augmentor I
Large Remote Repair Augmentor I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I


Garde II x5


751 DPS@ 68 + 12km with Gardes, 976 permatank, 70+resists, 87km targeting range, 81km drone control range, stable @ 56%.

I believe that the hardest sites in a C3 peak out at about 1100 DPS, you can replace a DDA with a 3rd EANM (doesn't have to be faction) and comfortably tank them. However, with 1500 combined DPS, you should be able to kill a few sleepers quickly enough to bring incoming DPS down significantly in those waves.
Magnus Saken
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-07-19 03:18:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Magnus Saken
Tried out the above fit seems to do just fine. The only thing i was upset about is drone assist appears to be broken.

What do you all think about a pair of the domis vs 2 RR Tengus? I mean domis cost about half the price and does twice the DPS and sentrys have about the same range of HML w/ fury... so trying to figure out why RR domis are not a popular thing in WH.
Alundil
Rolled Out
#7 - 2013-07-19 06:50:17 UTC
They aren't as popular because it requires drone/sentry micromanagement. Since the drones are putting out all the damage the sleepers target the drones... It makes for a lot of launch, attack, recall, rinse repeat. Whereas RR Tengus are basically easy mode and allows greater concentration on the most important thing: scanner/dscan.

But both work all the way up to C4 sites.

I'm right behind you
Funshine Bear1
Arrakis Survey and Scouting
#8 - 2013-07-19 08:26:04 UTC
True, the Sleepers do target drones occasionally, but I've found that they really don't like RR either. Keeps a good amount of their aggro on your ships. Actually, with 3 or more RR ships spidering, they usually totally ignore my drones.
I like the Domis because they are much cheaper than Tengus and very effective, but I run them in my C4 home. Big advantage of the Tengu is when you are going elsewhere to shoot red crosses. Easier on the holes, align quick, making them harder to catch. But its a bigger hit on the wallet if (when) you get ganked.
Sentries also have a decent amount of EHP, if they are getting shot that means your ship isn't, so you can turn a rep or two onto your drones and keep them alive.
So yeah, it's a decent amount of micromanagement, especially if you're dual or triple boxing. It really comes down to: cheaper, slightly faster completion, and more micromanagement in Domis vs. pricier, slightly slower, but less management Tengus.
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#9 - 2013-07-20 16:17:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Icarus Able
Yeh the Domis work well and you can do Shield fits as well. Drones arent a major issue using 2 RR Domis my drones got taregeted maybe once a site most of the time not at all. The sleepers hate logi more than drones.
Keith Planck
Hi-Sec Huggers
#10 - 2013-07-21 06:09:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Keith Planck
The maximum DPS a C3 site can put out (not including relics and datas) is 740 DPS. (That's against a large target that's not moving and neither are the sleepers.)

I've gotten away with as little as 400 tank on my solo machariel and DPS tanked the rest since popping a battleship brings the dps down by about 300.

Also if you want the setup that will bring you the fastest site completion, I would scratch all these terribad overtanked fits, and go with fits with RR and a local tank (ship under fire doesn't run RR, ship not under fire doesn't run local tank). You'll end up getting much more tank and freeing up a lot more space for mods.

Also it's important to not that the Ptihum B-Type Medium Shield Transporters are:
1. 8 mil each
2. Take Half the cap as a large transporter.
3. Heal 75% of what an extra large does.

[Dominix, Dominix fit]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II
Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Booster II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Pithum B-Type Medium Shield Transporter
Pithum B-Type Medium Shield Transporter
Pithum B-Type Medium Shield Transporter
Pithum B-Type Medium Shield Transporter
Large Energy Transfer Array II
Large Energy Transfer Array II

Large Egress Port Maximizer I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


918 Tank
751 DPS with Gardes (Although I suggest using Ogres when you can because sleepers don't target them due to their large signature radius and slow speed.)

No need to target/drones past 60kms because C3 sites don't spawn sleepers farther then that. (Exception is the orrrrraz construct which if your smart you just do an in site warp on one of the handy rocks and your 30kms from every spawn)

♞
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#11 - 2013-07-22 11:19:37 UTC
Alundil wrote:
They aren't as popular because it requires drone/sentry micromanagement. Since the drones are putting out all the damage the sleepers target the drones... It makes for a lot of launch, attack, recall, rinse repeat. Whereas RR Tengus are basically easy mode and allows greater concentration on the most important thing: scanner/dscan.

But both work all the way up to C4 sites.


No it doesn't need any micromanagement and no, the sleepers don't target the drones at all in RR fleets. Solo Domi is also perfectly viable, then sleepers will target your drones but it's neglible.

One person can control the drones with a target painter.

It's by far the best C3 site grinding machine, add a Rapier and realize how retardedly terrible Tengus are for killing sleepers efficiently. Only downside of Domis is the mass, running sites in your statics needs a bit more care so you don't lock yourself out of homesweethome.

.
Magnus Saken
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-07-22 17:36:57 UTC
Roime wrote:
Alundil wrote:
They aren't as popular because it requires drone/sentry micromanagement. Since the drones are putting out all the damage the sleepers target the drones... It makes for a lot of launch, attack, recall, rinse repeat. Whereas RR Tengus are basically easy mode and allows greater concentration on the most important thing: scanner/dscan.

But both work all the way up to C4 sites.


No it doesn't need any micromanagement and no, the sleepers don't target the drones at all in RR fleets. Solo Domi is also perfectly viable, then sleepers will target your drones but it's neglible.

One person can control the drones with a target painter.

It's by far the best C3 site grinding machine, add a Rapier and realize how retardedly terrible Tengus are for killing sleepers efficiently. Only downside of Domis is the mass, running sites in your statics needs a bit more care so you don't lock yourself out of homesweethome.




So if i have my buddy set drones to assist, and he can stay on his alt watching d-scan etc if i use a target painted drones will assist properly?
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#13 - 2013-07-23 04:00:01 UTC
yep

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Alundil
Rolled Out
#14 - 2013-07-23 20:36:45 UTC
Roime wrote:
Alundil wrote:
They aren't as popular because it requires drone/sentry micromanagement. Since the drones are putting out all the damage the sleepers target the drones... It makes for a lot of launch, attack, recall, rinse repeat. Whereas RR Tengus are basically easy mode and allows greater concentration on the most important thing: scanner/dscan.

But both work all the way up to C4 sites.


No it doesn't need any micromanagement and no, the sleepers don't target the drones at all in RR fleets. Solo Domi is also perfectly viable, then sleepers will target your drones but it's neglible.

One person can control the drones with a target painter.

It's by far the best C3 site grinding machine, add a Rapier and realize how retardedly terrible Tengus are for killing sleepers efficiently. Only downside of Domis is the mass, running sites in your statics needs a bit more care so you don't lock yourself out of homesweethome.




Well then I'll have to give this some additional thought. Thank you. I figure that since the sleepers were targeting solo domi drones that they would continue to target RR domi drones in the same manner absent ewar. Didn't realize that RR "bothered" them so much.

Thanks

I'm right behind you
Magnus Saken
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-07-24 15:34:39 UTC
Alundil wrote:
Roime wrote:
Alundil wrote:
They aren't as popular because it requires drone/sentry micromanagement. Since the drones are putting out all the damage the sleepers target the drones... It makes for a lot of launch, attack, recall, rinse repeat. Whereas RR Tengus are basically easy mode and allows greater concentration on the most important thing: scanner/dscan.

But both work all the way up to C4 sites.


No it doesn't need any micromanagement and no, the sleepers don't target the drones at all in RR fleets. Solo Domi is also perfectly viable, then sleepers will target your drones but it's neglible.

One person can control the drones with a target painter.

It's by far the best C3 site grinding machine, add a Rapier and realize how retardedly terrible Tengus are for killing sleepers efficiently. Only downside of Domis is the mass, running sites in your statics needs a bit more care so you don't lock yourself out of homesweethome.




Well then I'll have to give this some additional thought. Thank you. I figure that since the sleepers were targeting solo domi drones that they would continue to target RR domi drones in the same manner absent ewar. Didn't realize that RR "bothered" them so much.

Thanks



Ill just have to say i had differant circumstances where even with the 2 RR domis, the sleepers wouldnt stop shooting my sentries.. it was very annoying.
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-07-24 15:53:09 UTC
Roime wrote:
No it doesn't need any micromanagement and no, the sleepers don't target the drones at all in RR fleets. Solo Domi is also perfectly viable, then sleepers will target your drones but it's neglible.


It's pretty hard to get a sufficient tank on a solo Dominix to survive even low end C3 site DPS. You can't sig/speed tank like a cruiser can. Even the low end C3 sites have 700 dps waves that neut/nos.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#17 - 2013-07-24 16:04:16 UTC
Xequecal wrote:
Roime wrote:
No it doesn't need any micromanagement and no, the sleepers don't target the drones at all in RR fleets. Solo Domi is also perfectly viable, then sleepers will target your drones but it's neglible.


It's pretty hard to get a sufficient tank on a solo Dominix to survive even low end C3 site DPS. You can't sig/speed tank like a cruiser can. Even the low end C3 sites have 700 dps waves that neut/nos.


Not really, LAR+LAAR tank holds nicely.

Magnus Seken wrote:
Ill just have to say i had differant circumstances where even with the 2 RR domis, the sleepers wouldnt stop shooting my sentries.. it was very annoying.


Only 2-3 times I've had sleepers target drones, when a new ship warps into the site.

.
Jefferson Dubois
The Monkey Wrench Gang
#18 - 2013-07-24 18:26:57 UTC
Roime wrote:
Xequecal wrote:
Roime wrote:
No it doesn't need any micromanagement and no, the sleepers don't target the drones at all in RR fleets. Solo Domi is also perfectly viable, then sleepers will target your drones but it's neglible.


It's pretty hard to get a sufficient tank on a solo Dominix to survive even low end C3 site DPS. You can't sig/speed tank like a cruiser can. Even the low end C3 sites have 700 dps waves that neut/nos.


Not really, LAR+LAAR tank holds nicely.

Magnus Seken wrote:
Ill just have to say i had differant circumstances where even with the 2 RR domis, the sleepers wouldnt stop shooting my sentries.. it was very annoying.


Only 2-3 times I've had sleepers target drones, when a new ship warps into the site.


So do you run that with a cap booster or just cap rechargers? C3 solo domi sounds fun

 Back off, man. I'm a scientist
Magnus Saken
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-07-25 14:57:52 UTC
I just have to say i put a target painter on mine and my buddy just kept his normal. We have been using tengus and with 2 of us in tengus each site was taking roughly 10-15 minutes maybe? We tried the domis out... OMG. They just totally melt these sites, i think we did the one and it took us MAYBE 6 minutes max... and that waas with 2 BS, Cruisrers and about 5 frigs at the end.

Light drones just melt the frigs whereas the tengus takes for ever to kill them, even the garde II's with cruisers they were dead in 5 or so seconds... i am so impressed lol.

The best part yet is next site we warped to he could salvage / loot in the noctis and spam d-scan and he didnt even have to touch his domi as his sentires we set to assist.