Market Discussions

In recent history a number of alliances have been trying to manipulate the moon goo market. They stocked up large quantities of moon goo in an attempt to raise the price. In a response CCP changed the rules of the game and now those alliances are strapped for cash and sitting on huge amounts of moon goo that they can sell for only a fraction of the value of what they hoped it would be worth.

So instead of learning from their recent history those alliances are now involved in a war about another type of moongoo. All hoping to gain control over this hopefully valuable resource.

It seems that CCP learned from their earlier design flaw and made it a lot harder for alliances to gain control over the production of the 'new tech'. Control over Fountain will not allow one producer to control the market. I also think that this stuff is not going to be the same kind of isk printing machine that tech once was. CFC sources state that prices are not yet where they think they should settle. They expect prices to settle at much higher levels. I personally think they misguessed the impact of the Odyssey changes.
Also if alliances find the isk to stock up enough moon goo again to seriously manipulate the market, CCP is just going to change the rules of the game again.

What do you think about future prices for R64? Will the CFC be able to manipulate the prices once they finally take Fountain? Do you expect alliances to run out of cash and start selling their tech, thus crashing the market?

The reason the prices haven't hit where they should end up is people had tens of millions of units of these previously useless R64 goo stocked up. They gambled that CCP would make R64s worth it eventually and won. The R64 bottleneck is there. However, enough time hasn't passed to absorb the stockpiles. Prices will rise in time.

You can't really manipulate R64 materials like you could Tech. Tech was predominately in Venal. R64 moons are scattered and intemixed across all the regions. Taking Fountain won't allow you superior control over a specific R64 goo. Instead it will allow you more of all 4 types of R64 goo. To get the effects of OTEC you would need to control all the space in New Eden. If you hold back R64 goo your enemies will enjoy higher prices at your expense. So there will never be an effective manipulation like OTEC again.

Also, CCP is more than likely to change up the mechanics behind acquiring moon goo. They have stated that they do not like passive income, and they they don't really like the top down isk model that nullsec alliances use that is funded by moon goo. Expect something like Ring Mining that CCP has prototyped to step up and take this over in the next few expansions. This will remove the passive and allow for a bottom up income model.

Also, Tech crashed a while ago. Tech is dead. And good riddance.

I kind of doubt there is massive stock piles of R64 goo, for a start the supply was limited even though it was not as popular as Tech. Also why milk moon for R64's when it was bearly worth the fuel to maintain it for an extended period.

Years ago someone posts on the old forums the basic theory of moon goo. It went something like - If you can't produce moon goo over the space of a year to cover 25% of the cost of POS fuel, it's not worth mining.

The logistics behind moon goo back when this was posted was significant, something that isn't the case today, however a little bit of the theory is still valid. While you could easily make a marginal profit on those R64s that were not expensive due to saturation and lack of consumption.

If the market for your product is saturated, you often stop producing it with a medium sized stockpile for personal consumption and maybe a quick sell if the market spikes. This general theory is valid for all items in EVE, R64's had this situation for years, so expect stock piles to not be as large as you would think.

There are more than enough caesium moons to ensure that 114 of them is not "the majority".

In other news, monkeys fling poo

If Dotlan is accurate and has accounted for every moon. You'll excuse me if I decline to buy that.

It is off by a ton of moons. Several hundred or even thousands of moons off.

I love how Goon's only porpuse on this forum is to scream "We are not as transparent as you think" & "we have secret plans you can't even imagine" & "you have no idea whats the reasons behind what we do"...
Same goes to the burn jita analyze thread, and same here...

Sweet little manic bees...

Believe what you want, but speaking as someone with access to what is probably one of the most complete moon scan databases in the game, you're wrong.[/quote]

I'll correct. I'm actually right, maybe the information provided to me is wrong. Last comment ill make, I have moon mined for years. I have scanned hundreds of moons over the years and I have yet to find a moon that was not already accounted for on dotlan.

I'll correct. I'm actually right, maybe the information provided to me is wrong. Last comment ill make, I have moon mined for years. I have scanned hundreds of moons over the years and I have yet to find a moon that was not already accounted for on dotlan.[/quote]
There are tens of thousands of moons in the game, assuming dotlan is correct because of your anecdotal experience involving a small fraction of that is foolish.