Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It does have a bit of symmetry, but it wasn't HML users fault they were OP before the nerf, so please don't punish them now by leaving them behind in the buffs making them underpowered relatively. Let's fix them now so we're not revisiting this topic a month from now.

Overall these changes look pretty good. It seems pretty well balanced to have medium guns track horribly but still do ok damage. It's a clear weakness that you can avoid by flying cleverly and good gang compositions.

Heavy missiles really are far too weak in comparison now though. The main issue here is that you can negate the bad tracking of guns by flying cleverly. The only way you can negate the lousy explosion velocity of missiles is using a web or a scram.. Something quite unlikely if you're kiting. So if nothing else, buff the explosion velocity of heavy missiles or their raw DPS.

I wholeheartedly support these changes and I believe they will introduce some fun new life into previously unusable weapons and ships.

However, the ability to fit these weapons has not been addressed. 250mm railguns need at minimum a 10% reduction in PG requirements to be fit with a tank on anything but a Proteus. Likewise, beams need at least 5% reduced PG and 10% reduced cap demand, or they simply are not usable in a practical way.

Again, Rise, I fully endorse the current changes, but a few fitting tweaks must be made for any practical use to be made of these weapons.

Unless this is your way of telling us that larger size guns are strictly for larger size ships, in which case I say fie, sir, fie on you.

will 10% rof bonus give more volleys before concord arrives?

any timeline on adding missiles to TE's TC's etc. ?

Looks good, there is now a reason to use medium rails.

I'm eager to go start crunching numbers and test out to see if a rail tengu will now be a viable (PVE) alternative to the current hml/ham setup with the AEB subsystem.

imho they are now lacking of something, while I fully agree silly flight time had to go away and increase a bit explosion radius at the same time a dps nerf was also added and this one it's imho what is killing heavies rights now.

75km with javelins is nothing hard to achieve, 55 still gives you room for either more rof or tank rigs but we have to look at this opportunity as an extreme fit for a specific purpose, while 75km will be more of a pve ship the 55 one can perfectly achieve a pvp role so much better than using HMs, notice at these distances you're still doing around 600dps using faction bcu's.

I'm probably wrong and not having the good vision of the bigger picture but I still think HM's need a little dmg increase about 3%

Or you know, you could fight something within the same class. You don't always have to overship to win fights. Why can't a specialized destroyer fit be good against larger ships? It was something really fun for new players to get into.

Also here's a direct counter to Talwars. You're welcome.

CCP Rise - one thing, while You gave nice boost to guns, You left out something.

After this HML will be 100% unusable - outclassed with damage from their gun counterparts.