Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The ishtar needs a more unique flavour to it and unique drone bonus would be nice otherwise i still like the NVexor more..

Hi Rise,

I'm not important, but I fly a lot of Vagabonds and have for years.

I think the shield boost bonus is...just like totally useless. I mean its cool you added the speed bonus to the base stats; but the % of people that are going to plop a SB on a vagabond is so small because it's gonna lose its cap too fast with MWD/Shield Booster and lets face it, the Vagabond is a kiter.

Isn't there anything else you could slap on it? Tracking? ROF? even additional sig reduction like 4% per level so the Vaga has a real small signature radius - like frigate sized..idk.

The SB bonus just seems like an enormous waste of space.

The Ishtar's bonuses - just like the Domi's - are taylored towards sentry drones, while the VNI's are leaning towards heavy and med's. The main reason why you're not seeing the different flavour is that heavy drones are pretty useless right now, so VNI pilots still use sentries despite wasting part of their ship's bonus that way.

Does anyone use the Muninn as a long range platform? I would think a 4th mid would be more useful than an additional low.

that and reducing CPU on all drone mods would make sense ... also add a drone tracking for the lows like a TE for drones.

…or, hell, just to enforce the whole “T2 = specialisation” angle…

How about having the Ishtar reduce the CPU need for drone mods? That way, the ship can maintain its limited CPU to keep it from being too versatile, but you can still pack it absolutely full of the very specific set of mods that are related to its niche without making those available to every ship out there.

At -10%/level, that would mean Omnilink IIs at 29.5 tf, Drone link IIs at 27.5 tf, and Drone damage amps at 15 tf when you have HAC V.

…or, hell, just to enforce the whole “T2 = specialisation” angle…

How about having the Ishtar reduce the CPU need for drone mods? That way, the ship can maintain its limited CPU to keep it from being too versatile, but you can still pack it absolutely full of the very specific set of mods that are related to its niche without making those available to every ship out there.

At -10%/level, that would mean Omnilink IIs at 29.5 tf, Drone link IIs at 27.5 tf, and Drone damage amps at 15 tf when you have HAC V.

It did get nerfed a tiny bit, in fact.

Current base speed of a Vagabond is 239m/s, according to my EVEMon.

The current speed bonus is 25%. This bonus is always applied as you need Minmatar Cruiser at V to even fly the Vagabond. The base with the bonus is therefore:

239m/s * 1.25 = 298.75m/s

The new Vagabond gets 290m/s base.

The rest (Navigation skill, prop mods etc.) should apply in the same manner to those values, so the new Vagabond should be always slightly slower with the same fitting and skills.

Not sure how big the difference is with full fits though. I doubt it really matters, even though people will probably still feel they lost something. You know how EVE players are.



But anyway, i'm mostly ok with what i see, for now. Ishtar could use some more CPU. Other than that, i first have to look at some updated fits and compare to other ship classes with similar roles to really see what is going on.

Alright I've been pretty busy today but I'm trying to catch up on feedback. Here's some initial thoughts:

I'll look at the Ishtar fitting. To me it seems like one of the stronger HACs already and it gained a bonus to damage projection and application so I didn't see a need to give it even more buffs. I don't think of it as a ship that ought to be running medium sized mods in all its high slots. All that said, I'll have another look.

While the Sacrilege didn't gain bonuses or slot changes, the added PG and added drone bay push it over the edge I think it would become a solid heavy brawler with a lot of utility. I spent some time trying to find a 4th bonus that fits better than the cap recharge bonus but it's actually very difficult. I think keeping its character as a really sturdy bruiser seems more interesting than anything else I've come across, but I'll keep watching feedback on this. Its really important to me that this both useful and fun.

I think the Cerberus is going to be really powerful. It can now do the extremely long range thing with HML as well as added capacity to be an amazing HAM skirmisher. The role bonus means it has a lot of added survivability while it establishes or maintains range for both roles.

On a related note: someone commented that because HACs with MWD active have larger sig than battleship gun resolution the role bonus is useless. This is not true and I recommend you hop over to the medium weapon balance thread and read some of the explanation for the way tracking works to find out why.

Generally on the role of HACs I think theres a lot of disagreement because people seem to have different ideas of what they are supposed to do. The easiest thing to say on this is that they are not supposed to out-perform t1 or faction cruisers in every way. With this role bonus addition we are really emphasizing that they are supposed to be harder to kill than t1 or faction variations, which is true also for Assault Frigs. They have much better effective HP coming from both base HP and resists. This lends them to both large fleets, where they can be very difficult to kill, or small engagements where they provide a great platform for both primary damage and anti-support which isn't nearly as easy to kill as lower tech variations.

Keep it coming, glad that a lot of you seem excited